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6.5x55 tikka reloading questions

hi guys I was pretty much set on the tikka t3x stainless varmint 24inch barrel 6.5x55. I will be reloading. During my research it seems this is quite the controversial cartridge to reload. Seems only data for the older versions is available in manuals and not much out here for modern rifles and pressures. So is this cartridge a bit risky to reload I don't really want to be a guniea pig making my own loads I'm not interested in redlining this cartridge but I also don't wanna be in 1st gear with data from 123years ago. Does anyone know any manuals that will show proper current reload data for this cartridge?

This brings me to the next question this rifle is also avail in 7mmrem mag I scratched this off the list due to barrel life however I got thinking is it possible to download this cartridge for example to 7mm08 levels would this the give the same barrel life as a 7mm08 or is there more at play with the magnum cartridge that burns barrels? I thought you could download for most purposes and run some hotter cartridges when needed? Would this be better to download one of these instead of upload a 6.5x55 or am i missing something

Regards
 
Essentially all the reloading data is safe to use in what's known as a '96 Swedish Mauser that has a somewhat weaker action than real Mausers and more modern actions. Start at published max loads and stoke carefully from there.
 
Just like loading for anything else, watch your primers, ejector marks and bolt lift. Great cartridge! You'll be able to better the small ring Mauser loads by a decent amount.
 
The 6.5-55 is a great cartridge. The lawyers help write the manuals so they keep the loads lite for all the old guns. Loading up till you see signs of over pressure can be done, just do it carefully. Some one may chime in about how they load a pound of powder in it with no pressure signs"in thier gun". That may be a load to "work up slowly to", but it may be too much in your gun. I sometimes go over book with my loads, but not that often. When I do, I move up a couple tenths of a grain at a time till I see flattened primers or get a sticky bolt. Then I back down. By the way, "down loading" magnums has it's own set of dangers.
 
hi guys I was pretty much set on the tikka t3x stainless varmint 24inch barrel 6.5x55. I will be reloading. I'm not interested in redlining this cartridge but I also don't wanna be in 1st gear with data from 123 years ago.
I've been shooting this cartridge since 1993 and have used both old and modern rifles.
Forget about the age of the reloading data and try to choose the right bullet according to your bore, regarding the rifling twist.
If you choose right, you may start with the medium data of your tables, and develope it by small increments of 0.3 grains.
The 6.5x55 likes very much the slow burning powders, such as Vitha N560, Norma 204 and MRP, even when that fact means to keep an eye on small volume loads, safety wise.
A few samples of my best loads with 1 in 8", are
47.7 grains MRP - 130 grain Norma Diamong Line - CCI250, give 897 m/sec at 26ºC
44.5 of 204 - same bullet - BR2 - 848 m/sec at 25ºC
39.2 of 204 - Sierra 140 HPBT - BR2 - 761 m/sec at 18ºC
40.0 of 204 - Sierra 140 HPBT Moly - BR2 - 754 m/sec at 18ºC
47.2 of N560 - 130 grain Norma Diamong Line - BR2 - 876 m/sec at 32ºC
This last combination has won several national championships in my rifle, shooting sling prone in the 300 m range.
 
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Thanks for the response and thanks Jose for that data. Iam brand new to loading so was hoping to get something in a book form that I could follow I didn't want to have to look for pressure signs etc I'd rather follow the guidelines of a manual was sorta wondering maybe the Europeans who use this cartridge a lot might have something was looking for something like the hornady manual except one that had modern 6.5x55 data not that I don't trust people on the forum it would just be nice to have it in a nice manual like the hornady manual

Josh can you please elaborate on the dangers of downloading a magnum? I run some data a 7mmrem mag pushing 175g nosler powder IMR 4451 minimum reccomended load data 50.8grains gives a velocity of 2541 pressure 49400psi. This was one of the lightest loads it reccomended. As a comparison I run the data on a 7mm08 at max reccomended for same powder pushing same bullet using 43.8grains gives a velocity of 2598 and pressure of 58800. Now I'm talking in terms if barrel wear would the reduced load 7mmrem mag Be burning barrel at similar rate to the hotted up 7mm08? The velocity is similar the pressure for some reason is much higher on the 7mm08 but the grains used is 7 grains more of same powder. Would that 7 grains more powder in the magnum cause significantly greater barrel wear than the 7mm08 or ? I'm just asking the question trying to work it all out. I don't know why the 7mm08 has such a higher pressure for same velocity with same Bullet with less power can someone explain this please
 
The 6.5X55 is a very good performer, and the rifle you have in mind is an excellent long-range shooter with the cartridge. A UKBRA member has regularly taken the 'Factory Sporter' class in 1,000 yard BR comps here in the UK in recent years with this combination.

The cartridge is an easy enough one to load for. As others have said, most US data is geared to that for 100 year old M1896 Swedish Mauser service rifles and a limit of around 45,000 psi peak chamber pressure (or in some case considerably less even) is used. The European equivalent to SAAMI, the CIP has recognised a modern version of the cartridge, the 6.5X55mm SKAN for use in modern rifles such as the Tikka you have in mind - its MAP is 55,000 psi, substantially higher. If you can get Vihtavouri propellants where you are, Viht's online rifle reloading data has two versions -Swedish Mauser and SKAN with heavier loads for the latter. Even if you don't use Viht, you can compare the two to see what is a safe % increase in the maximum charge and use it a guide with those you can get - eg the % difference in maximum charges for Viht N160 will be reflected in loads for IMR and H4831. For example the maximum charge for the 136gn Lapua Scenar match bullet rises from 45.2gn to 47.1gn, an increase of 4%. That level will be reflected across the board and can be adopted for equivalents such as H4831 - as always increasing charges in small steps (0.3 to 0.4gn) and looking for pressure signs

http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/rifle-reloading-data

As earlier posts say, the cartridge likes slow burning powders. My favourite is the very slow burning Viht N165 for 140s. Teamed up with the 140gn Berger LR BT it makes an excellent long-range loading and at Vihtavuori's SKAN Maximum is still producing under 55,000 psi. Use Lapua brass - expensive but better than US cases and it'll last a long time at standard 6.5X55 loads. If you're still worried, well just stick to the reloading manuals' maxima - even at 45,000 psi you will get excellent performance, such is the very good external ballistics performance of 6.5mm 130-140gn bullets. Your barrel and brass will last a long time too with these loading levels.

Minimum listed loads for your 7mm RM will be perfectly safe to use as recommended as your starting charges, but you may see a warning not to use still lighter charges with some powders. In a large case an overly low charge of slow burning powder can in very rare circumstances detonate instead of burning progressively producing the same effect as a massive over-charge.

Different cartridges use different loads even if using the same powder and in the same bore calibre loading the same bulelt - eg 7mm-08 v 280 Rem v the 7mm magnums. Pressure is heavily and directly influenced by combustion chamber volume which on initial ignition is that of the cartridge case. The larger the case volume, the lower the pressure, and the greater the powder charge needed to compensate. Water capacity is the standard way of referencing case volume. (Weigh a fireformed unsized case fired in the rifle empty, then again filled with water level with the case-mouth - the difference is the overflow water capacity measured in grains weight for that make of case when fired in your chamber.) The 7mm-08 has capacities in the 54.5-56.5gn bracket; the 280 Rem runs ~ 68gn, and the 7mm RM ~82gn. With a 50% increase in case capacity over the 7mm-08, the magnum both needs and uses considerably larger charges - basic internal ballistics rules. When there are large differences as in this case, different burning speed powders are usually called for too, the larger example often needing slower burning powders. This is why most people load the 6.5X47mm with VarGet and Re15, but the considerably larger case 6.5X55 will use the 4831s and can even accept H1000.

As a complete beginner to handloading, you may find it worthwhile to buy a copy of Glen Zediker's new book 'Top Grade Ammo' (A step by step guide to creating quality ammo) Although geared very much to 308 and 223 for Service Rifle competition in semi-auto rifles, these issues, components choice metrics etc are explored telling you why you do things certain ways as well as recommending how you do them.
 
Just a point. I must stress that when I mention 'equivalence' such as between Viht N160 and Hodgdon H4831, that isn't to imply in any way that any loading data and their recommended charge weights can be substituted for each other's. For instance, the Lyman manual gives maxima for the cartridge with the 140gn Sierra MK bullet as 44.0gn N160 and that for H4831sc as 46.0gn. This is for the lower military rifle pressures. The pair are in the same rough category of relatively slow burning rifle powders, but their respective data are not interchangeable.
 
I own two 6.5x55's, a 96 with a 25" Brux barrel and a 94 with factory barrel. I use Hornady and Nosler data mainly, but also reference others. I mostly use Lapua brass but have used Herters, and Remington. Work up loads carefully as any other cartridge and use a chronograph if you have access to one. Imo this cartridge doesn't need to be hot rodded. I don't have my data at my fingertips, but I run 120 Nosler BT's at 2891 out of my 96 and it is 1/2 moa, and it worked flawlessy on a Mule Deer last fall at 330 yards. I always wondered why U.S. manufacturers load down this round (I've read) but Norma loads are much hotter. I would think Europe is full of 94, 96 and 38 Swedes that use Norma ammunition. Your Tikka is a great rifle and will serve you well. I like the 6.5x55 a great deal, they don't kick, just kill. Barlow
 
If it is just a hunting rifle, either will do. The 7 mag is not that bad on barrels for average amounts of shooting.
 
Not familiar with the 6.5x55 but my question is why that cartridge instead of say 260 Rem which is also a 6.5 and much better known and also available from Tikka?
 
The 6.5x55 like the 45-70 Govt is a classic cartridge.....

two of the oldest with rifles being built for them......
 
My Tikka T3 Swede target a few years ago.....gotta luv the Swede......

H4831sc....H4350......VN560....RE22 all work well with 140's

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Josh can you please elaborate on the dangers of downloading a magnum?

As a matter of fact, many people know about this.
It is a general rule not to reduce a load for slow burning powder, because the powder may behave like an explosive instead of propellant.

When do you realize that?
In the last shot.

It can be the last shot for your rifle, or even for you, because an explosion like that is so heavy, that for sure something or someone gets seriously damaged.
Slow burning powders don't like open spaces in the cartridge, even when filled with neutral stuff such as kapok to complete.
 
I load 140 gr's to 2800 fps and 123 gr's to 2950 with ease in a T3 action and factory varmint barrel using Lapua brass with H4350 or IMR7828. Work up carefully and with a chronograph, but the system will handle modern pressures without issue. Some brass I have has 5 to 7 firings with no excessive wear. I have found the lot of H4350 I have to be quite temperature sensitive at the load density required to get 2800 fps, with at 50 fps swing between 5*C and 30*C.
 
I bought one of the old M38's from jpretle. This is my first load test with HV100 and 120 Amax at 100 yards.
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I suggest NOT making any posts regarding loads or use of 94 or 96 actions on this thread. Modern actions and vintage/ antique actions are two different kettles of fish in this cartridge, and should not be mixed up. Folks chiming in about their old actions, no matter how accurate they may be, has been a significant source of confusion in the internet world.
 
The 6.5x55 like the 45-70 Govt is a classic cartridge.....

two of the oldest with rifles being built for them......
No doubt, but the question is unless you have specific love for them, is there a reason to choose it over a much more popular caliber like a .260 Rem? Seems like info and cases would be cheaper and easier to find.
 
No doubt, but the question is unless you have specific love for them, is there a reason to choose it over a much more popular caliber like a .260 Rem? Seems like info and cases would be cheaper and easier to find.
Actually the 6.5 x55 Lapua cases are cheaper than the .260 Rem and plenty of great factory hunting loads available. The case bases are a little more stout than the .308 based cases..if that matters for your loads. As a downside the 6.5 x55 will not extract an unfired cartridge from a short action and the rim is a little larger in diameter than a .308 rim. Some bolt faces may have to be opened up a little.
 

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