A 6.5 (264) 140 hyb @ 2800 ft/sec won't touch a 180 hyb, 215+ hyb in winds over 5 mph. Velocity of 3100 ft/sec + is a necessity if you are serious about being competitive against the big 7's and 30's. It is all rendered mute... the HEAT generated is unacceptable for long strings (26+ rnds). I get vert. from heat after 16 rounds. The recoil of a 6.5 saum (140 hyb @ ~3200 ft/sec) is slightly less than a 7mm saum (180 @ 2900) but its not a 6 br but any means. I'm all for a "giant killer", but it is still governed by the laws of physics' Its 2 lbs of sausage in a one lbs bag.