5R rifling trivia question

[moondog]

So, everyone knows what 5R is, who knows how it came about. Yeah, I know,
Barrett, but how.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Are looking for a ribbon? I can send you one.

 

[moondog]

More like a bow!

 

[pirate ammo]

maybe a Talisman

 

[moondog]

I'll take it

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Didnt boots or gary schnieder do it before barrett even existed?

 

[dfrosch]

barrett = boots

 

[L.Sherm]

I think the Russians were the first to do it.

 

[Mark M.]

It is a Russian design

 

[moondog]

Russian wins.
Government siezed weapons from them during the Afganistan occupation in the 70s
They had Boots figure out what made their guns shoot so well. He named it. Just found out this Factoid out talking to a good friend of his this morning, Mark Chanlynn. Sorry,
It's snowing here today, got nothin better to do.

 

[pirate ammo]

Russians, wonder who they COLLUDED with..

 

[msinc]

........They had Boots figure out what made their guns shoot so well...........

Really........It actually took Boots to do that????? Perhaps you could please tell us exactly which "Russian guns" it is that "shoot so well"???

 

[moondog]

Got this from a "guy" who worked with Boots
At the time this happened. I have no reason to doubt his word. He is still in close contact with him. "Rocky Mountain rifles" if you need more info .303-823-6270

 

[msinc]

Got this from a "guy" who worked with Boots
At the time this happened. I have no reason to doubt his word. He is still in close contact with him. "Rocky Mountain rifles" if you need more info .303-823-6270

I was just wondering which Russian guns shoot so well....You are asking me if I need more info from Chanlynn??? No sir, I can assure you I need nothing at all from him.

 

[cmillard]

I’m pretty sure Barrett uses Feddersen barrels, not Obermyer

 

[Larryh128]

I was just wondering which Russian guns shoot so well....You are asking me if I need more info from Chanlynn??? No sir, I can assure you I need nothing at all from him.

Not sure of the model but there were a whole bunch of Germans that wished the snipers had a less accurate weapon.

 

[msinc]

Not sure of the model but there were a whole bunch of Germans that wished the snipers had a less accurate weapon.

Yes sir, that would be the Mosin Nagant mentioned above by SPJ. Many of which were made by Remington Arms and Westinghouse. None of which sported "5R" rifling and I seriously doubt were ever taken into Afghanistan.
But I have to agree with one thing...that rifle is the closest thing I have ever known the Russians to have that even came close to "shooting so well" and make no mistake, the MN wasn't "all that" in the shooting well dept.

 

[swd]

If I remember correctly it was for the Russian Olympic rifles.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Love this Post ( I have a Dog in the fight )

One more Question on 5R Rifling ! Are all 5R's the same ?

 

[msinc]

If I remember correctly it was for the Russian Olympic rifles.

Here is the story, from one extreme to the other, as I understand it....bureaucrats were running around in circles in Washington since 1947 trying to figure out what made Russian rifles shoot so much better than ours and why we were so far behind in the "shoot so well" area....on Dec. 24th 1979 the Russians invaded Afghanistan. Realizing we had just seven more days to get our hands on a Russian rifle {this all happened in the 70's remember} SOCOM sent some operators in to steal guns, most of which got drunk and captured. One managed to get a rifle and 2:00am in the morning the Sec. of Defense woke up Jimmy Carter to ask "quick you peanut eating idiot, what do we do???" Ole' Jimmy orders a black helicopter to immediately take the gun to Boots Obermeyer to see if he, being our last chance and only hope, can "figure it out".....now ole' Boot's is not one to miss an opportunity and he gives us the third costliest gimmick in the shooting world, 5R rifling. The first two being the Colt Python and the Co-ax press. And the rest is history as they say......
The other end of that extreme is that the Russians for either lack of money or lack of resources use mild steel for bullet jackets. This quickly wore the drive side corner off the rifling, which by the way was never 5 groove in the AK-47. It uses 4 groove RH 1-in-9.25t. Russian geniuses at the time decided to make the corner rounded and hard chrome the bore, actually pretty smart. This allowed the cost effective and battlefield disposable AK's to last long enough to be useful.
Somewhere in the middle of all this is the truth. I have never seen it published what year the Russians adapted the style rifling. I have also never seen it definitively published exactly what the R stands for...Russian, radiused, ramped, rounded??? It appears that the Russians did it for different reasons than Boots. He did it to make money and certainly has, the Russkies did it to make the barrel last. In any case, Boots or Russian, ramped or radiused, 5R rifling does absolutely zero over any other kind of rifling that can be positively measured and proven. Believe what you want.

Edit: how do I know all this??? Well since it's just about all nothing but passed down hog schitt I don't. But, one thing I do know and know well, I was involved with the testing of the U.S. Army gunshot detection system..."Boomerang", et al. We tested every threat weapon out there at Yuma proving ground and I can tell you from personal, "been there done that" knowledge that there is nothing the Russians have I would consider "shoots so well".