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53g V Max -- stabilize in 1/14 twist 22-250?

CT10ring

CT10ring

Got some 53G Vmaxes to try in my 22BR & thought they might work in a 22-250. Sako 1 14 tw.

The bearing surface of a 53g V max vs, say a berger 55g is about .100" longer.
Anyone have any luck ?
 
CT10ring said:
Got some 53G Vmaxes to try in my 22BR & thought they might work in a 22-250. Sako 1 14 tw.

The bearing surface of a 53g V max vs, say a berger 55g is about .100" longer.
Anyone have any luck ?
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They pretty much need a 1-12tw or faster to stabilize. You can try them if you like but I think you'd be wasting your time and money.
 
Will not work in a 14 twist even at speeds beyond 4000 fps. Bullet length is .830. The stabilizer calculator gives it a .73 sg. Need around 1.4 and 1.0 is marginal. Even a 12 twist only gives it a 1.0 sg but apparently it does stabilize it in the 12. Haven't ever tried personally.
 
You could buy a sub-$300, 12-twist Cabela's FV Savage.....deal of the decade. The 53 V-Max shoots great in mine.
 
I've haven't tried then in my 14 twist, but i still might. I called Hornady tech support and they told me no matter what combination they tried, a 14 twist wouldn't work.
 
Next best thing is the 52-grain Amax (now ELD-M). Shoots very tight groups out of my 1-14" 22/250 Ruger #1.
 
284winner said:
Will not work in a 14 twist even at speeds beyond 4000 fps. Bullet length is .830. The stabilizer calculator gives it a .73 sg. Need around 1.4 and 1.0 is marginal. Even a 12 twist only gives it a 1.0 sg but apparently it does stabilize it in the 12. Haven't ever tried personally.
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I have...

The 53 V-Max shoots well in a 12" 223. The spin RPm from a 12" barrel is just around 200,000 rpm.

From a 14" twist barrel, a 22-250 or a .220 Swift will give the same spin rate in RPMs...

I shoot the 53 V-Max (0.830" length), the 55 SBK ( 0.820" length) and the 53 Varmageddon (0.830" length) from a ,220 Swift, and two 22-250s and they ALL stabilize at speeds of 3,800 and faster.

It has been my experience that the online twist calculators are not at all reliable - they are based on very old models that use large caliber, semi-pointed lead bullets. For example, the Berger twist calculator says the 52gr .224, hollow point at 3,200 is unstable - HA! That is probable one of the most accurate combinations ever shot over the past 60 years.

Calculators are no substitute for getting out and doing it.
 
John Russell said:
I have...

The 53 V-Max shoots well in a 12" 223. The spin RPm from a 12" barrel is just around 200,000 rpm.

From a 14" twist barrel, a 22-250 or a .220 Swift will give the same spin rate in RPMs...

I shoot the 53 V-Max (0.830" length), the 55 SBK ( 0.820" length) and the 53 Varmageddon (0.830" length) from a ,220 Swift, and two 22-250s and they ALL stabilize at speeds of 3,800 and faster.

It has been my experience that the online twist calculators are not at all reliable - they are based on very old models that use large caliber, semi-pointed lead bullets. For example, the Berger twist calculator says the 52gr .224, hollow point at 3,200 is unstable - HA! That is probable one of the most accurate combinations ever shot over the past 60 years.

Calculators are no substitute for getting out and doing it.
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ah thanks. I'll try a few. I read (online) of most saying - nope 53g vmax , won't stabilize, I tried in a 14 twist...
then a couple guys who said yes, works for me.

I'll try em.
 
John Russell said:
I have...

The 53 V-Max shoots well in a 12" 223. The spin RPm from a 12" barrel is just around 200,000 rpm.

From a 14" twist barrel, a 22-250 or a .220 Swift will give the same spin rate in RPMs...

I shoot the 53 V-Max (0.830" length), the 55 SBK ( 0.820" length) and the 53 Varmageddon (0.830" length) from a ,220 Swift, and two 22-250s and they ALL stabilize at speeds of 3,800 and faster.

It has been my experience that the online twist calculators are not at all reliable - they are based on very old models that use large caliber, semi-pointed lead bullets. For example, the Berger twist calculator says the 52gr .224, hollow point at 3,200 is unstable - HA! That is probable one of the most accurate combinations ever shot over the past 60 years.

Calculators are no substitute for getting out and doing it.
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Right on. That's why it's hard to say never will work. Inly know the 14 won't work
John Russell said:
I have...

The 53 V-Max shoots well in a 12" 223. The spin RPm from a 12" barrel is just around 200,000 rpm.

From a 14" twist barrel, a 22-250 or a .220 Swift will give the same spin rate in RPMs...

I shoot the 53 V-Max (0.830" length), the 55 SBK ( 0.820" length) and the 53 Varmageddon (0.830" length) from a ,220 Swift, and two 22-250s and they ALL stabilize at speeds of 3,800 and faster.

It has been my experience that the online twist calculators are not at all reliable - they are based on very old models that use large caliber, semi-pointed lead bullets. For example, the Berger twist calculator says the 52gr .224, hollow point at 3,200 is unstable - HA! That is probable one of the most accurate combinations ever shot over the past 60 years.

Calculators are no substitute for getting out and doing it.
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Good to know. I couldn't get them to shoot in my 14 twist 22-250. No way. Factory barrel but still a 14 twist. Ran the stabilizer calculator and found out why. It's certainly the reason mine won't stabilize the 53s. Another buddy of mine can't shoot them either from his. Some will some won't. My 223 in a 9 twist won't stabilize the 75 amax. My buddies will. Same gun same twist. Go figure. I don't own a 12 twist so have no personal experience if 53s can shoot in the 12.
 
If you are willing to load them a little on the "Hot side" they will stabilize, but obviously that is totally up to you.
I agree with JR 3800 or 200,000 RPM will set them straight.

PS: Sometimes it doesn't take much a couple of hundred FPS, to make a big difference.
 
I shoot them out of a 1969 Rem 700 Varmint Special 22-250, 33 grn I4895, Rem 9.5 primer, 2.365 oal and they shoot extremely well. Pretty sure they are a 14 twist, best group 5/16".
 
17Hunter said:
I shoot them out of a 1969 Rem 700 Varmint Special 22-250, 33 grn I4895, Rem 9.5 primer, 2.365 oal and they shoot extremely well. Pretty sure they are a 14 twist, best group 5/16".
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Thanks all. great real world info from experienced shooters. just what I wanted to find out.
 
I have been invited to go to Hungary next Sept to do this. It looks like my hit to shot ratio is going to be bad. I can't think that fast never mind shoot that fast. And I'm talking the first one not all the follow up shots he does. That large caliber rifle probably makes up for some marginable hits although he is so good the holes are probably right thru the head. I should get a spead bead and roll some barrels down hill for practice. Looks like a real bunch of fun though.
 
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