45-70 Guys and Gals

[EOD Rob]

So, a few year ago I had someone give me some .458 bullets. At the time I did not have a 45-70, but since then I got one. They gave me two boxes(One of 300gr and the other in 405gr).

I have no need for the 405gr pills. I only need to hunt deer back home in Ohio, the reason I bought the rifle in the first place. So, I plan to stick with the 300gr.

This is were the question comes. Is there anyone out there that is in the opposite spot that I'm in that has some 300gr bullets but only use 405gr pills that would be willing to switch out a box with me? I only have 1 box of 100 count 405gr. They look to be Midway USA seconds .458 405gr Jacketed lead flat points. I'm not looking for anything special, however I do plan to put them through a suppressor, so I cant use strait lead bullets, they would have to be jacketed as well. Not trying to be picky, just dont want to mess up my can! I'll post pics below, PM if your are interested or have any questions.

 

[HonkinDonky]

I don't have any 300's, but I'd love to buy those 405's if you decide to sell.

 

[CharlieNC]

Would powder coated lead work for you? Last time I checked they were readily available directly from the manufacturer.

 

[SSL]

As an aside, if those 300-grain bullets are hollow point don't push them too hard. I used 300-grain Hornady hollow points many years ago on a big Michigan buck. Out of a scoped Marlin 95 and pushed pretty hard, the jacket peeled off on the first rib it hit, but the core continued through both lungs and exited the opposite side. Book velocity (before chronys) indicated just over 1,800 fps muzzle velocity and the buck was just over 180 yards, so terminal velocity was obviously much lower. Dropped him fast, but I always wonder what it would have done on heavier bone.

 

[EOD Rob]

As an aside, if those 300-grain bullets are hollow point don't push them too hard. I used 300-grain Hornady hollow points many years ago on a big Michigan buck. Out of a scoped Marlin 95 and pushed pretty hard, the jacket peeled off on the first rib it hit, but the core continued through both lungs and exited the opposite side. Book velocity (before chronys) indicated just over 1,800 fps muzzle velocity and the buck was just over 180 yards, so terminal velocity was obviously much lower. Dropped him fast, but I always wonder what it would have done on heavier bone.

That was what I was afraid of with the 405gr SSL. Figure, we got big deer up there, but not that big!

 

[EOD Rob]

Would powder coated lead work for you? Last time I checked they were readily available directly from the manufacturer.

They would! Just figured I'd see if someone would like to get rid of some and gain 405s.

 

[EOD Rob]

I don't have any 300's, but I'd love to buy those 405's if you decide to sell.

Honk, I'll let you know if no one wait to trade and I'll get them over to you! Dont plan to use them.

 

[joshb]

Those big bullets kick like a mule! I understand why you want to trade!

 

[EOD Rob]

Those big bullets kick like a mule! I understand why you want to trade!

Yes they do, but ever time I go to the black powder range, that all the older guys use. Make me feel a little on the weak side! Most are in there 60's and 70's. I'm a little more then half their age!!!

 

[ta6ppc]

All I have ever shot was 405 hard cast, I did shoot some 500 grain Montana hard cast at one point. Never shot a jacked bullet I run 40.3 grains of Varget believe it or not, it’s a trapdoor safe load and is easy on the shoulder and very accurate usually shooting less than 1.5” with irons at 100 yards.

 

[SSL]

Just another thought...you don't say what your rifle is, but if it is a lever rifle like the Marlin 95, be cautious about cast bullet designs. Some have noses so long that the loaded cartridge can't quite make the turn from the loading gate to the magazine so have to be single-loaded directly into the chamber. Of course this shouldn't be an issue with the jacketed bullets you are planning to use, but it's good to keep in mind.

Good luck, good shooting, and keep us updated.

 

[EOD Rob]

Just another thought...you don't say what your rifle is, but if it is a lever rifle like the Marlin 95, be cautious about cast bullet designs. Some have noses so long that the loaded cartridge can't quite make the turn from the loading gate to the magazine so have to be single-loaded directly into the chamber. Of course this shouldn't be an issue with the jacketed bullets you are planning to use, but it's good to keep in mind.

Good luck, good shooting, and keep us updated.

Thanks SSL,
I did not know that and yes it is an 1895 Marlin. I do plan to stick to jacketed, more so because of the suppressor, but that is also a good reason!

 

[cptjack]

IMO the 405 hae=rd cast are the most accurate in me 95

 

[XTR]

Those 405s are the Remington 405s that used to get made once every five or 10 years. I have a few thousand. They are a great 45|70 bullet. Run them at Trapdoor levels and the recoil is nothing, at 1600 ish with smokeless and the recoil is moderate and they will shoot through just about anything in North America from about any angle, (that’s where I run them in the one 45-70 I have that doesn’t get black powder and cast) or load them at 1800 plus and they will loosen your fillings.

They don’t have to be loaded to T-Rex killer loads. If I have anything it will be 350s.
those also make great 458SOCOM subsonics.