40x vs. Anschutz

[bored184]

Will a rebarreled 40x, CJ trigger in an eliseo stock compete with an Anschutz for conventional prone matches? I've always wanted to put my 40X in an Eliseo chassis and I have all the parts minus the barrel. However, I have an older Matcher 54 sitting in the safe that needs to be shot more. The positive of the Eliseo is that it would duplicate my highpower rig.

 

[USMCDOC]

Will a rebarreled 40x, CJ trigger in an eliseo stock compete with an Anschutz for conventional prone matches? I've always wanted to put my 40X in an Eliseo chassis and I have all the parts minus the barrel. However, I have an older Matcher 54 sitting in the safe that needs to be shot more. The positive of the Eliseo is that it would duplicate my highpower rig.

i believe if i remember right.. of course @gme could tell it right. That you have to "bed" the barrel and float the action on the Annie.. whereas with the 40X you just need the "recoil lug" washer.. which would be easier since you don't have a barrel on it yet.. i would also suggest that the barrel choice, consider getting a Benchmark 3 groove.

 

[1Merlin]

Shoot the Anschutz for a season prior to doing anything. Not a prone shooter but I have never seen an Anschutz with a bedded barrel.

 

[SBS]

The 40X stocked with a proper prone stock and good trigger will be very competitive in smallbore prone, even with a good factory barrel -- more so with a top end aftermarket barrel. For best results the 54 Anschutz action needs to be bedded (all competition rifles should), but float the action to the rear beginning where the flat is milled for the trigger assembly. I also favor bedding about 1" of the barrel just in front of the action. The front action screw is very close to the front end of the action and this gives the action screw some bedding surface on both sides of it. It can easily be removed later if desired.

 

[davidjoe]

Do chromemoly .22 barrels wear out? I have an original, old (probably from the 70’s) .22 40-X that in prone matches at 50 and 100 has been very to be beat. This is free floated and actually glued from the old days.

A favorite.

 

[LESLEY]

If you care for the barrel right it will last a long time. I have one from the late 50s that shoots lights out. Another from the 60s great shooter. More 22 barrels are ruined from cleaning the wrong way than shooting.

 

[davidjoe]

 

[LESLEY]

Looks like a freeland stock on that

 

[davidjoe]

I wish I knew more about its intended match uses. The hand stop and iron sight set up I replaced make me think there had been a thriving .22 across the course style interest years back. Someone used to love it. I bought it at a renown, multigenerational store that has many times taken in what I surmise to be widow’s collections.

 

[1813benny]

I have shot both the 40x and the 54 actions and have the following observations/comments.

I am not familiar w/ the trigger on your 40x, however the 54 (if newer) might have the 5018 trigger that is a really good set up. Do you know which trigger is on the Anschutz?

Another item to consider is ease of loading. The Anschutz is MUCH better in that regard vs the 40x. The loading ports are both a good size, however on the 40x if the round rolls too far to the left, it goes "of the rails" so to speak and you have to dig it out to facilitate loading. It can be a PITA when you are in position - and a problem if you are running out of time and have this happen. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt and tour jacket on that one....

From an accuracy standpoint, it could be a toss up. I would pay attention to how the rifle would balance between the two actions.

Hope this helps.
ken

 

[distinguished]

My 40X shoots so well, I sold my Anschutz super match.

 

[SBS]

I wish I knew more about its intended match uses. The hand stop and iron sight set up I replaced make me think there had been a thriving .22 across the course style interest years back. Someone used to love it. I bought it at a renown, multigenerational store that has many times taken in what I surmise to be widow’s collections.

The two most popular sanctioned smallbore matches of years past were smallbore prone and 3 or 4 position indoor gallery (most shot @ 50 ft.). Outdoor 3 position was never very popular with the average shooter; just too hard I think. More than likely, your rifle was used for either prone or 3/4 P matches. Not much interest in "cross the course" matches in smallbore and don't recall any NRA sanctioned matches like that, at least not since your rifle was manufactured.

 

[davidjoe]

Wow, I wouldn’t have imagined such close range rifle shooting, but as you say being indoors, 50 feet makes sense. Multiple positions off hand I did expect although I use it exclusively off a rest now. That bipod was plenty stable but the flat rear stock is poor for changing elevation. Now I use a Sinclair front for-end “sled” and shoot it off a Seb Max just like in Fclass.

I get that “left” side roll off too if rushing.

 

[LESLEY]

Ok i have the answer to your question. Sell the Anschutz to put a barrel on the 40x. See problem solved

 

[epc308]

If you care for the barrel right it will last a long time. I have one from the late 50s that shoots lights out. Another from the 60s great shooter. More 22 barrels are ruined from cleaning the wrong way than shooting.

I have a Martini 12/15 from the same year I was born, 1955 that’s unreal, accuracy wise. A Model 37 Remington from the late 40s is the same. No idea how many rounds have gone down either, but I’m sure it’s a truck load of ammo. Most .22s shoot better with some age in my findings, as it can take a while to smooth them out internally, compared to CF rifles.

 

[Delfuego]

You could convert your 40x to a repeater that uses vudoo magazines. It should fit any r700 inlet stock with AICS compatible bottom metal. Eliseo has a a AICS version that should work. PM me and I'll send you the info for the smith that does them.

 

[1Merlin]

You could convert your 40x to a repeater that uses vudoo magazines. It should fit any r700 inlet stock with AICS compatible bottom metal. Eliseo has a a AICS version that should work. PM me and I'll send you the info for the smith that does them.

Would it cost as much as a new Vudoo or RimX to do this conversion?

 

[dc.fireman]

Will a rebarreled 40x, CJ trigger in an eliseo stock compete with an Anschutz for conventional prone matches? I've always wanted to put my 40X in an Eliseo chassis and I have all the parts minus the barrel. However, I have an older Matcher 54 sitting in the safe that needs to be shot more. The positive of the Eliseo is that it would duplicate my highpower rig.

As @1813benny said, it is the ease of loading that's going to be a deciding factor for you. You didn't say which 54 action - 14 series? X gun? 18 series? Something else?

One of my mentors, who is now sadly, deceased, shared a bit of wisdom with me once: "The guy with the stable, repeatable position wins, every time." He also said, "They count points first", once after He'd out X'd me, but dropped a point in the match.

I've shot a FWB 2700 for a few years now, but prior to that I shot an 1813, and an 'X' gun, that was a 15X action, in a 14 series prone stock. It was a standard barrel, not a heavy barrel, and the action was bedded. It had the 5072 trigger, which was pure heaven, until it wasn't.

The 1813 prone gun I have, has the 5018 trigger @1813benny discussed. It's got more adjustments than Carter has pills.

I have shooting buddies who shoot Remington 37's, Winchester 52 C's, D's, & E's, Anschutz's, Walthers, Turbo's, and Morgans. One thing I've learned over the years?

It's the archer, not the arrow - but some arrows are harder to find parts for than others.

If you want to get started quickly in the prone game, find a rifle that is competition ready, with a hand stop, reliable iron sights, and the option to mount a scope on it for the Any sight portion of whatever matches you enter. Spend the rest of your money on a decent mat, a good fitting coat, spotting scope, sling, glove, and most importantly, ammo. Lots and lots of ammo, both practice and match ammo.

Best of luck - see you on the range.

-tc

 

[DOGCAPPER]

Bump for benchmark barrl.

 

[bored184]

A little background about me. I currently shoot NRA High Power matches using a Rem 700 in an Eliseo chassis. Years ago I shot rimfire prone with the Anschutz 54. It currently has the precursor to the 5018 trigger. It's a nice two stage trigger but it's got some age on it. However, I installed the 2 stage trigger on it. The original trigger on it was not a 2 stage trigger. The rifle states Match 54 on the barrel and is in wooden stock very similar to my father 1813 Super Match. I do have a 5018 trigger just sitting in the safe. It was purchased cheap, at the price I paid for it I can only assume something is wrong with it.

The idea behind putting my 40x in an Eliseo is that I'd have a rimfire clone of my high power rifle.