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4 grove vs 5C Barrel issues

I have been conducting some test on a new barrel.

Cartridge: 6CM,slightly improved 243 Win)
Bullet: 115 DTAC

All of my past barrels have been straight 4 grove barrels.

The new barrel is a 5 grove with angled lands.

With the 5C barrel I’m finding that the loads developed for the straight 4 grove barrel do not transfer.

The 5C barrel appears to have much less friction,bite on the bullet) and thus yields slower velocities with the same loads.

The results of using a 5C barrel seem to be,velocity and powder charge) about the same as using moly coating.

Initially, on this project my thought was that the canted lands would be easier on the bullet and easier cleaning. However, with 5 lands I thought the forces against the bullet,friction down the barrel) would be about the same. So I thought the same loads would work.

However, my rudimentary tests have proved otherwise. The H1000 load of 49.3 grains with the 115 is 250 fps slower with the 5C barrel. I cannot get enough H1000 into the case to equal the velocity of the 4 grove barrel.

I have moved to slightly faster burning powders,4831SC and N160). I’m trying to stay away from R22 as it is a double based powder. And I cannot get my hands on any N165 currently.

So with H4831SC I can get over 3200 fps from the 115, but with unacceptable accuracy throughout the velocity range of 3050 through 3200. ES’s are large.

H4831SC seems to be inconsistent between 5 shot groups. One group give ¼ MOA with good data from the chronograph and the next gives a close to 1 MOA group with huge ES.

With N160 I do not have a good test as to date.


I’m thinking N165 is a good powder for this cartridge barrel combination.


However, it is very frustrating that I have to change everything, as far powder charges go to make this 5C barrel work.


Does anyone have any experience with this that might help.

Joe
 
Generally 5c barrels need a little more powder to make em shoot. As you found, H-1000 is a touch too slow. VV-165 is close to H-4831 in burn rate, so it may be the "one". But, don't rule out R-22. Double based powders are said to give less barrel life, but how much less? Pressure probably plays a bigger role in barrel life rather than single base/ double base comparison. Shoot what works the best. I'd rather win for a 1000 rds. than place mid-pack for 1500. Al.
 
alf said:
Generally 5c barrels need a little more powder to make em shoot. As you found, H-1000 is a touch too slow. VV-165 is close to H-4831 in burn rate, so it may be the "one". But, don't rule out R-22. Double based powders are said to give less barrel life, but how much less? Pressure probably plays a bigger role in barrel life rather than single base/ double base comparison. Shoot what works the best. I'd rather win for a 1000 rds. than place mid-pack for 1500. Al.

Alan,

I'm on the same page as you. I don't have and cannot find any N165 locally so I'm ordering some. I do have some R-22 and I'm going to try it tomorrow.

And I agree that a few less rounds from the barrel is not worth winning accuracy.

Joe
 
But if the 5C barrels are producing a velocity under that of the standard 4 or 6 groove barrels wouldn't decreasing the bore diameter effectively increase the pressure and bring the 5C barrel up to the same pressures almost as the regular 4 or 6 groove designs?
 
Joe,
Maybe it is just that specific barrel. I'm shooting a 5C bbl. chambered in 6XC and getting 3,150fps. with 105 Lapuas and could go a lot faster if I wanted to. My problem is I'm doing it with RL-15 and would like to find a load with H-4831sc or VV 550-560 that will give me the same accuracy with lower temps. Has anyone tried these powders in the 6XC?
Thanks,
1shot
 
Without going into long detail the problem with the initial accuracy of this barrel was not the barrel, but my seating die. The stem in the Redding die,new) was sticking and giving inconsistent seating depts.

I am currently getting great accuracy and after several weeks of testing the best loads out of this barrel are:

107 Sierra, 49.5 gr H1000 3050 fps, 200 yard group 0.75"
115 DTAC, 49.5 gr H1000 3048 fps, 200 yard group 0.85"

I can get as much as 3250 from the 115's but the accuracy drops to about 1.25" at 200 yards.

Joe Hendricks
 

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