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.308 win with 11.25 tw

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Skip 8208xbr, imr4064, and reloader 15 if it gets really hot where he shoots.

Bullets (ordered by price): Some higher on the list will require sorting for long range use especially if switching lots. Sort tipped bullets by bearing surface and OTM bullets by bearing surface and nose length.

barnes match burner 155/175
hornady eld 155-178
hornady 168 amax
nosler 175 rdf
sierra 155 palma match king
sierra 169 /175 match king
sierra 155-175 tmk
lapua 155/175 scenar L
berger Hybrid target 155/168
berger 175 otm tact
berger 185 juggernaut (not the 185 hybrid)
Don't know what you base your opinion regarding IMR - 4064 on , using it where it's hot , because I shoot it with 185 Juggs in Phoenix at Ben Avery year round . From Low thirties to over 110 . The powder was designed for use by the military for global use in all climates . When did it become temp sensitive ?
 
Don't know what you base your opinion regarding IMR - 4064 on , using it where it's hot , because I shoot it with 185 Juggs in Phoenix at Ben Avery year round . From Low thirties to over 110 . The powder was designed for use by the military for global use in all climates . When did it become temp sensitive ?
Its not temp sensitive by comparison to most powders. But when compared to the ones I left on that list its not as stable. In hodgdons tests (possibly biased lol) imr 4064 tested nearly identically to reloader 15 and vv140 and gained 50 fps over 125 degrees spread. Varget gained 8 fps.

The ones left on that list are about the most temp stable powders that exist.


And actually 8208 xbr in retrospect is probably better than comp. So ill edit my post to include xbr with the other temp stable powders.
 
Its not temp sensitive by comparison to most powders. But when compared to the ones I left on that list its not as stable. In hodgdons tests (possibly biased lol) imr 4064 tested nearly identically to reloader 15 and vv140 and gained 50 fps over 125 degrees spread. Varget gained 8 fps.

The ones left on that list are about the most temp stable powders that exist.


And actually 8208 xbr in retrospect is probably better than comp. So ill edit my post to include xbr with the other temp stable powders.
Interesting ; that all three powders were NOT Hodgens powders . I'm so surprised ...Not . Glad my Lab didn't read that report though . Or I wouldn't be shooting consistent 200's now .
 
Now, that is a lights out load. Looks like benchrest shooting to me.
Thanks for the fantastic compliments Bro. The thing will shoot other bullets really tight as well but I think these Sierra 175 gr. TMK may be the cat's meow in this rifle. I did a re-run actually twice to see if it would duplicate and all three times they were grouping 1/4 inch groups or less.
 
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I’m not sure there is a load for 100-1000 yards that a guy doesn’t have to stay on top of the tune regardless of what powder is used. I know I have to.
 
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Interesting ; that all three powders were NOT Hodgens powders . I'm so surprised ...Not . Glad my Lab didn't read that report though . Or I wouldn't be shooting consistent 200's now .
Have you done temp testing on 4064? How much does the velocity swing with temp? Poi shifts?

I have never worked with it personally I just have several test sources showing imr4064 losing its temp stability above 70ish degrees. Its great up until then though from what I have seen. I'm sure it varies some between lot and cartridge used.
 
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I’m not sure there is a load for 100-1000 yards that a guy doesn’t have to stay on top of the tune regardless of what powder is used. I know I have to.
Agree he will have to stay on top of the tune. He wants to learn precision reloading and has a high-end .308. My inquiry was mainly looking for a good place to start him. As an former marine sniper he has superior shooting skills and basic knowledge.
Thanks
Bill
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I’m not sure there is a load for 100-1000 yards that a guy doesn’t have to stay on top of the tune regardless of what powder is used. I know I have to.
 
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I’m not sure there is a load for 100-1000 yards that a guy doesn’t have to stay on top of the tune regardless of what powder is used. I know I have to.

I posted this one earlier. I know certain aspects of performance and consistency vary from lot to lot and what cartridge you use it in. But in his test above his poi moved .19" at 300 yards with 77smk in 223 over a 70 degree spread with 4166. Thats impressive stability.

I don't know what kind of shooting he intends to do. If he's doing competitions where he can load at the range for each event he can use any powder that prints well at long range. I don't load at the range outside of load development so my suggestion reflects that methodology. I try to create as stable a load as possible that works in the widest range of conditions and chase tune with tuners and stock Bolt tension. I probably should have made that clear before as I know everyone on here has their own shooting background.
 
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Agree he will have to stay on top of the tune. He wants to learn precision reloading and has a high-end .308. My inquiry was mainly looking for a good place to start him. As an former marine sniper he has superior shooting skills and basic knowledge.
Thanks
Bill
As has been been stated previously, bullets in the 168 to 185 gr weight range will work well with the 11.25"-twist. Choosing from among the various bullet options within that weight range may be simplified by estimating the freebore length using one that is relative short (BTO) and one that is relatively long. If the freebore isn't sufficiently long to load something like the 185 Juggernaut at ~.020" jump without having to seat the boattail/bearing surface well below the neck/shoulder junction, then the shorter bullets in the 168-175 gr range would be better choices.

Don't overlook the Berger 168 gr Hybrid, which has an outstanding BC for its weight. With a 30" barreled F-TR rifle, it is actually possible to push the 168 Hybrids with H4895 at velocities that allow it to shoot inside a comparable Juggernaut load from the exact same rifle. Ordinarily, it is not possible for reasons of excessive pressure to push lighter/lower BC bullets fast enough to overcome the BC deficit as compared to a longer, heavier, higher BC bullet. Due to its high BC, the 168 Hybrid is a rare exception to that trend.

With regard to powder choices, there are many within the approximate burn rate range of Varget that will work. Current availability of those powders is another story entirely. If a powder has not already been selected/purchased, I would advise caution. This past spring, I purchased a fair amount of Accurate 4064 for use in "practice" loads, so as to minimize my use of Varget outside of load development and competition. To be clear, I'm talking about Accurate 4064, not IMR 4064. I chose the Accurate 4064 for a couple reasons. First, although well toward the slower end, it still falls within the same general burn rate range as Varget. Second, it also appeared to be available through online vendors on a fairly regular basis, something not true of many of the preferred powders with burn rates close to Varget. I have played around with it over the last 6 months or so and I can tell you at this point I wish I would have waited and purchased something like IMR 4166 instead. The Accurate 4064 is stupidly temperature-sensitive, on the order of greater than 2 fps velocity change per degree F within the ambient temperature range of 60 to 90 degrees F. Because I already have it, I have from necessity figured out how to make it work by developing three different temperature-band loads that I can use throughout the season. Nonetheless, you'd really rather not to have to do this. For that reason, my suggestion would wait until one of the less temperature-sensitive powder options within the general Varget burn rate range are available. Powders such as Varget, H4895, 4166, or N140 would be excellent choices with bullets in the 168-185 gr weight range. Between these four powders, your friend should be able to obtain some with a little diligence, even in the current climate.
 
My first semi custom was (still is) a Remingon 700, 11.25t 26" 5R Rock Creek Barrel with an Obermeyer chamber.
It covers 155 - 190 with out issues
My 1000 yard loads
F class shooting
- 155 Scenars, Norma Brass, Varget, (powder charge was allot) velocity 2950.
Precision matches, (movers, double taps, etc).
-168 Berger hybrids, Norma brass, IMR 8208, velocity 2850.

both of these loads are stable and accurate at 1,000 and while i don't use this rifle for F class any longer i still use it for precision matches.

I have shot other bullet weights and imr 4320, but 4320 is no longer available... I buddy of mine will tell you to get AR-COMP but my one test proved indifferent and I prefer IMR8208

I have shot factory ammo though it as well both the sierra 168 and 190's with good results.

Cheers
Trevor
 
This past spring, I purchased a fair amount of Accurate 4064 for use in "practice" loads, so as to minimize my use of Varget outside of load development and competition. To be clear, I'm talking about Accurate 4064, not IMR 4064. I chose the Accurate 4064 for a couple reasons. First, although well toward the slower end, it still falls within the same general burn rate range as Varget. Second, it also appeared to be available through online vendors on a fairly regular basis, something not true of many of the preferred powders with burn rates close to Varget. I have played around with it over the last 6 months or so and I can tell you at this point I wish I would have waited and purchased something like IMR 4166 instead. The Accurate 4064 is stupidly temperature-sensitive, on the order of greater than 2 fps velocity change per degree F within the ambient temperature range of 60 to 90 degrees F. Because I already have it, I have from necessity figured out how to make it work by developing three different temperature-band loads that I can use throughout the season. Nonetheless, you'd really rather not to have to do this. For that reason, my suggestion would wait until one of the less temperature-sensitive powder options within the general Varget burn rate range are available.

Ditto

Back in April I bought a couple pounds of that Accurate 4064 to try out and experienced much the same kind of temperature sensitivity. But, I must say, I found a load that worked really well pushing some 168 SMK's. I knew, when I bought it, that the temp sensitivity wasn't going to be as good at Varget or even the AR-Comp I really like to use, but it seems to be more sensitive than the chart I consulted which lists it at 1.11 vs Varget at .19 and AR-Comp at .77.

That's the way it goes in the game we play. ;)
 
My buddy just acquired a new .308 with a 11.25 tw.
Wants to develop a load for 100-1000yds.
Recommendations for bullets, powder.
Thanks
I've shot many thousands of 308's 800 to 1400 yds, about 20 plus years ago...1-12 twist Shilen super match 27" barrel trued Remington 700... same load 17,000 times, and several barrels later. The load... Fed match primers, Varget powder to get near the magic 3000 fps mark and 155 gr Lapua Senar bullets and Lapua brass. Small standard deviations and very accurate... shoot eggs at 1000, hit pop cans, a varmint. Best 5 shots at 1400 went into 7 and 9/16". I have most all the popular calibers...liking my 6 dasher a bunch....but I just built 2 more 308s... one on a long action.
These have 1-8, and 1-9 twist rates. 30" and 22" barrels. The 30" Running 200 gr CN Sierra MK at 2856 fps average. And 225 gr eldm at 2576 average fps. The 1-9 is a carry rifle 22" barrel will run the 200 gr SMK .715 BC at 2740 fps in case ya want to plink at long range with your hunting rifle. I'm currently running 5 308s from 18" to 30" barrels... 12" to 8" twist...I have several decades building and experimenting with the old 308 Win, it's a lot better now than it was back then...
 
I've shot many thousands of 308's 800 to 1400 yds, about 20 plus years ago...1-12 twist Shilen super match 27" barrel trued Remington 700... same load 17,000 times, and several barrels later. The load... Fed match primers, Varget powder to get near the magic 3000 fps mark and 155 gr Lapua Senar bullets and Lapua brass. Small standard deviations and very accurate... shoot eggs at 1000, hit pop cans, a varmint. Best 5 shots at 1400 went into 7 and 9/16". I have most all the popular calibers...liking my 6 dasher a bunch....but I just built 2 more 308s... one on a long action.
These have 1-8, and 1-9 twist rates. 30" and 22" barrels. The 30" Running 200 gr CN Sierra MK at 2856 fps average. And 225 gr eldm at 2576 average fps. The 1-9 is a carry rifle 22" barrel will run the 200 gr SMK .715 BC at 2740 fps in case ya want to plink at long range with your hunting rifle. I'm currently running 5 308s from 18" to 30" barrels... 12" to 8" twist...I have several decades building and experimenting with the old 308 Win, it's a lot better now than it was back then...
Thanks for sharing your extensive experience. Based on what you have found, might try the Lapua 155s.
What is your opinion of the 175 smk?
 
I've shot many thousands of 308's 800 to 1400 yds, about 20 plus years ago...1-12 twist Shilen super match 27" barrel trued Remington 700... same load 17,000 times, and several barrels later. The load... Fed match primers, Varget powder to get near the magic 3000 fps mark and 155 gr Lapua Senar bullets and Lapua brass. Small standard deviations and very accurate... shoot eggs at 1000, hit pop cans, a varmint. Best 5 shots at 1400 went into 7 and 9/16". I have most all the popular calibers...liking my 6 dasher a bunch....but I just built 2 more 308s... one on a long action.
That lapua 155 is nice. .46 for a 155 is really high bc.
These have 1-8, and 1-9 twist rates. 30" and 22" barrels. The 30" Running 200 gr CN Sierra MK at 2856 fps average. And 225 gr eldm at 2576 average fps. The 1-9 is a carry rifle 22" barrel will run the 200 gr SMK .715 BC at 2740 fps in case ya want to plink at long range with your hunting rifle. I'm currently running 5 308s from 18" to 30" barrels... 12" to 8" twist...I have several decades building and experimenting with the old 308 Win, it's a lot better now than it was back then...
What powder are you running to achieve these velocities?
 
That lapua 155 is nice. .46 for a 155 is really high bc.

What powder are you running to achieve these velocities?
That lapua 155 is nice. .46 for a 155 is really high bc.

What powder are you running to achieve these velocities?
For the heavy 200 gr and 225 gr I use Alliant PP2000 MR...high velocity, low single digit s/d good accuracy. 1-8 twist 30" Bartlein 5 R throated for long bullets on a trued Remington long action. MPA chasis, center feed 30-06 magazines. Was gonna run 250 Atips, around 2450 fps but I'd have to throat it even longer to run 3.4" OAL Descided against that case the new .715 BC Sierra MK shot so well and very fast for a 308. Over 3600 ft/ lbs of energy at the muzzle and 7.3 Mil to 1000 yds from a 100 yd zero...not bad for a 308 Win case..I chambered the barrel on a whim to see what was possible with the 308 Win case.. as the barrel was originally ordered for the 300 RUM to shoot the 250 ATip at 3100 fps, as I had already been running them 2985 fps in a 26" barrel, and re machined the action to feed 4" cartridges. Being a retired machinist has its benefits...like making 6 mm ARC brass out of 308 brass just because ya can or machining large rifle primers in 223 cases cause ya have more of them.
 

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