.308 verses 300wsm on recoil

[bozo699]

He shoots 500 grain shoulder busters.

;D


I have a AR-50, we shoot 750 A-max's through it, it's hard to explain if you have never shot one the actual recoil is that of a .270 win probably but the concussion from the break feels like it is tearing your tissue from the bone, it's a pleasure to shoot and yet it isn't but all in all it's a fun toy for the big boys to show off with, plain and simple its fun There is nothing Fun about a 9 or 10 lb rifle with no break shooting 500 grains of solid copper out the end of a 24" barrel :'( :'( no fun at all.
BUT IT USED TO BE : ;D
Wayne.

 

[TonyR]

He shoots 500 grain shoulder busters.

;D


I have a AR-50, we shoot 750 A-max's through it, it's hard to explain if you have never shot one the actual recoil is that of a .270 win probably but the concussion from the break feels like it is tearing your tissue from the bone, it's a pleasure to shoot and yet it isn't but all in all it's a fun toy for the big boys to show off with, plain and simple its fun There is nothing Fun about a 9 or 10 lb rifle with no break shooting 500 grains of solid copper out the end of a 24" barrel :'( :'( no fun at all.
BUT IT USED TO BE : ;D
Wayne.

I have another friend who was charged by a tuskless elephant and he said that he never felt any recoil from his 416 RemMag.

 

[frnkeore]

I know of a guy that shot a 378 WM off the bench. To better manage the recoil, he move the butt in off his shoulder. Poor guy was knocked off the bench and got a collapsed lung.

My own experiance was with a 8 bore double. It took only one shot to tell me NEVER again and I almost droped that $7000 gun in the dirt. The only good thing about is that I shot it off hand. The load was 1030 gr bullet in front of 250 gr of black powder.

Frank

 

[Cameron SS]

wow, you guys with your 416 shoulder cannons are making me feel like my 300 WSM is more like a 22 LR. Maybe I should get a NTW 20.

http://www.vincelewis.net/20mm.html

 

[Live Oak]

Has any of you considered a muzzle brake? I purchased a clamp on HK style muzzle brake from Dark Metal Designs and installed it on my Savage Model 12 VLP DBM 300 WSM. It substantially reduce recoil. For $115 and free shipping, it is not a bad deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-K-STYLE-MUZZLE-BRAKE-COMPENSATOR-custom-bore-PARK-/120759008531?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1dcc3d13

http://darkmetal-design.blogspot.com/

He does not like to make these muzzle brakes for barrels with much if any barrel taper. Some very slight taper is allowable but none is best.

I don't think I would even consider shooting my Savage Model 12 without the muzzle brake. It is a 17 lb. rifle and still have some very mild kick to it with the RWS 184 grain RAP-X cartridges pushing the bullet out the muzzle at 3050 fps. Without a muzzle brake, it would be intolerable for any kind of prone or bench rest shooting.

 

[TonyR]

It is a 17 lb. rifle and still have some very mild kick to it with the RWS 184 grain RAP-X cartridges pushing the bulle out the muzzle at 3050 fps. Without a muzzle brake, it would be intolerable for any kind of prone or bench rest shooting.

Have you shot the RWS over a chronograph? RWS does claim 3050 fps for a 25.5 inch barrel on the packaging, but that appears optimistic to me. I've tried to find a combination in QuickLoad that gets that velocity with the amount of powder actually in the case, but I can't find anything that would work. Maybe they are using some sort of special blend that isn't sold to reloaders.
Thanks

 

[Live Oak]

It is a 17 lb. rifle and still have some very mild kick to it with the RWS 184 grain RAP-X cartridges pushing the bulle out the muzzle at 3050 fps. Without a muzzle brake, it would be intolerable for any kind of prone or bench rest shooting.

Have you shot the RWS over a chronograph? RWS does claim 3050 fps for a 25.5 inch barrel on the packaging, but that appears optimistic to me. I've tried to find a combination in QuickLoad that gets that velocity with the amount of powder actually in the case, but I can't find anything that would work. Maybe they are using some sort of special blend that isn't sold to reloaders.
Thanks

No. I have not set up the Chrony to verify just yet. This was the first box of this ammo I have tried since Midwayusa had it on sale marked down to $26.99 per box, marked down from $64.99. I can attest to the fact that at least in my particular rifle, this ammo is loaded to the very max. as I have a little bit of difficulty raising the bolt handle after a number of shots. I was attempting to zero this ammo with a new Millet LRS-1 scope but the scope was defective, the windage adjustment would not work.

I am waiting on a new replacement scope. When I get the scope in and zero the rifle, I will run this RWS ammo through the chrony. I don't doubt that it is pushing 3050 fps or there abouts. On a side note, the RWS ammo did group well at 100 yards with the intial string of shots very close together, most of which the holes were touching.

I neglected to mention that I was shooting the rifle from a rifle rest very similar to the Lead Sled with a bag filled with 20 lbs. rice. Even with the muzzle brake, there was still the mild kick, something akin to a good shove. I am NOT a fan of much if any recoil primary due to medical reasons. It is beyond me how some folks can use rifles that fire cartridges such as 300 Remington Ultra Mag., or other high power should/head busters. ;D

 

[TonyR]

Maybe it is the pressure. I bought a bunch of the ammo on sale to get the brass and pulled a box loaded rounds apart to see what the components weighed. Almost all of the variation in weight of a loaded round is in the brass while the powder charges and bullets were in a very narrow spread. No wonder the stuff shoots well. Maybe they have loaded it to a very high pressure to get the velocity. That would explain why I couldn't get the velocity number in QL because I assumed more modest pressures in factory ammo. I've heard that the bullet is actually a very good hunting bullet. It's all academic now because I don't believe that Midway has any left at any price.

 

[Live Oak]

Yes indeed. At that price, it went FAST. When you took the rounds apart, did you recognize what type of propellant powder they were using? It does appear to be very well made ammunition.

On another note and I have NOT actually gotten around to loading any just yet, Graf & Son has Federal 300 WSM Nickel Plated & Primed brass casings on sale for $54.99 per bag of 100. I ordered a moderate sized batch of this rifle brass and it appears to be very good quality brass. Being already primed is a big plus too. I liked how it looked and the price so much that I ordered another batch.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/22228

Has anyone tried this brass yet and if so, what are your comments and evaluation?

I have been toying with the idea of ordering a 32 lb. batch of WC867 and WC872 since it is so cheap at $39 per 8 lb. container but I am not sure this powder would work well in a 300 WSM as it is probably too slow burning of a powder and the case would not hold enough powder to obtain a good velocity.

Has anyone tried reloading with this powder? If so, how did it work.

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000013

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000014

 

[TonyR]

I pulled mine apart to try and figure out what the powder might be but I couldn't make much sense out of the 3050 fps velocity and 63 grains of anything at reasonable factory pressures. Could be Norma, or Rottweil since RUAG owns both and RWS or it could be VhitaVouri. It would be easier to figure if there was a real velocity number to start with but if the 3050 fps is real, then I think the powder must be a special blend. My only other experiences with 300WSM brass are Norma and Winchester..

 

[bfr 4570]

I just turned a XP into a 300WSM winchester brass is crap

 

[Live Oak]

I pulled mine apart to try and figure out what the powder might be but I couldn't make much sense out of the 3050 fps velocity and 63 grains of anything at reasonable factory pressures. Could be Norma, or Rottweil since RUAG owns both and RWS or it could be VhitaVouri. It would be easier to figure if there was a real velocity number to start with but if the 3050 fps is real, then I think the powder must be a special blend. My only other experiences with 300WSM brass are Norma and Winchester..

Have you tried running any of the RWS RAP-X ammunition through the chrony yet? I have not either. Would be VERY interested if anyone has and what their results were.

 

[TonyR]

I don't even have a 300 WSM. I am using the brass for a 7mm/300WSM and wanted to use the powder for fireforming the brass. It seems fine with about 2-5% less charge than H4350 for the 7mm but i did work up to it in steps.