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.308 from 30-06 brass

Who here cuts down the 30-06 springfield brass and forms it into .308?

Of those that do, what do you see as the advantages and disadvantages.

I have a ton of '06 brass, lots of spare time, and a local shortage of inexpensive .308 brass (lots of Lapua though :o).

Would love to hear from those who've done it.
 
I have done it many years ago when that was my only resources, I neckturned all the brass, tho Idon't remember if I tried it without...works fine...good luck
 
I used a 308 file/trim die (RCBS) annealed the cases/Imperial sizing wax/cut off excess/inside nk reamed/re-annealed/FL sized/NK turned.
 
I've also done it, as more of an experiment, to see if it could be done. Yes it can, but a lot of work.

Never experienced any functioning or extraction problems. The exterior dimensions of the case are identical to the factory case, after running it thru the FL sizing die.

I did it at a time when brass was plentiful, asked myself, "why bother?", but I can understand in todays enviornment of shortages, and if having a lot of '06 brass, and time, it could be worth the effort.
 
Or you could just trade your 06 brass for 308 brass ... plenty of us have good uses for 06 brass that don't involve so much work and waste...
 
navyrad8r said:
tag for interest..am how much inexpensive 308 are you trying to get to?
cheers,
Doc

Another facet to my interest was to get some brass with thicker neck walls. By the time I skim cut my Winchester brass it's fairly loose in the chamber. With the '06 brass being thicker I see the possibility to create some inexpensive brass that fits the chamber tighter after neck turning yet still being able to utilize the "no-turn" feature with Lapua brass (which the reamer was sized for).

Being as I'm retired, time is something I'm looking to fill so I'm not worried about the extra process required. I realize it might not be worth the effort for others that don't have the time.
 
I have a ton of '06 brass, lots of spare time, and a local shortage of inexpensive .308 brass

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC_Drawings/Rifle/308%20Winchester.pdf

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC_Drawings/Rifle/30-06%20Springfield.pdf

Me to? No, not for the same reason. I have purchased 30/06 cases for .01 cent each, $14.00 worth. I have purchased 30/06 linked ammo in three belts for $7.00 each belt. I have purchased thousands of new match pull down cases from Pat's reloading in Ohio for $70.00 a thousand.

"Spare time" I form cases. I form Japanese 7.7mm58, 8mm57, 7mm57 30/06, 8mm06 etc., etc.. Not for all the same reasons, for different reasons the cases like the 308 W are too short. I form cases, I am not a fire former, I do not chamber a round, pull the trigger just to see what will happen.

The 30/06 shoulder is .379" ahead of the 308W shoulder. When forming 308 W cases from 30/06 cases I determine the length of the 308 W case from the shoulder of the case to the head of the case. I choose to add .010" to the length of the case from the shoulder to the head of the case. If after forming the case I can attempt to chamber the formed case if the formed case does not chamber I can reduce the length of the case by lowering the die a pre-determined amount, something like .005". and try again, with control I can form the case to fit the chamber from the shoulder of the chamber to the bolt face.

After forming the case it is a matter of if measuring the length of the case from the datum to the case head to determine the length of the chamber from the datum/shoulder to the bolt face. Some choose to purchase head space gages, that would be 3 gages from go, to no to beyond. A case former that understands the methods and or techniques of case forming can form 11 different case length from minimum length to field reject, and for the Mauser 318 and 323 30/06 cases can be formed to minimum length to infinity.

7.62 NATO and 308 W. The 7.62 NATO chamber is generous at the neck, it is always good to check but reducing the neck diameter is not necessary. When forming 30/06 to 308 W check the outside diameter of the neck. I have tightened the neck of 308 W chambers by forming 30/06 match cases by .006", with standard 308 W cases the neck of the 308 W case expanded .014", only because I was asked to. Seems the bench rest rifle was said to have large chamber necks. Problem, the rifles shot one hole groups, the owner/shooter read on the Internet the necks had to be snug if not tight? It was my job to tighten the necks, after forming the cases the neck expanded .004", and still the rifle shot one hole groups.

Forming dies, if I had one forming die it would be the 308 W trim/forming die, if I had two the other would be the 2243 W trim/forming die because it is short. The short forming die can be used to form the 7.7 Japanese, 8mm57, 7mm57, 257 Roberts etc. if the reloader doing the forming understands the die and press have threads, and they have to have confidence in their ability adjust the die off the shell holder with a feeler gage.

What is a case former to do when the problem is the 30/06 chamber. I purchase cases from shooting ranges that have been fired in trashy old chambers, chambers that are too long from the shoulder to the bolt face. All I have to do is start forming the long case to fit my chamber by controlling the gap between the bottom of the die and top of the shell holder. That would be for all chambers except for one chamber. I have an Eddystone M1917 with a chamber that is .016" longer than a minimum length case, I add .014" to the length of the case from the shoulder to the head of the case. By adding the extra .014" to the length of the case from the shoulder to the head of the case I have .002" clearance when chambering the rounds.

The 280 Remington case body is longer than the 30/06 case body by .051", meaning when determining the length of a 30/06 chamber from the shoulder to the bolt face a case forming rleoader can start forming the 280 Remington case by screwing the die down in small increments after that have initially formed the new shoulder back .041". Notice I did not say 'bump' I can not bump, the shoulder on the 280 Remington case does not move, part of the body becomes part of the shoulder, part of the shoulder becomes part of the neck again, the shoulder does not move, if the shoulder was bumped/moved the case body would have to expand, compress.

F. Guffey
 
I made some 7.65x53 Belgian Mauser cases from 30-06 cases and the necks will need to be turned down. After making a few cases from 30-06 brass I switched to 7mm Mauser brass and had no neck turning to do on excessively thick necks to do. Bottom line, I'm retired also but it was a waste of time and 30-06 brass.

Normally the case is supported by the bolt in the rear and the bullet in the throat so in my way of thinking thicker case necks would only complicate sizing and neck tension.

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Food for thought ;) I like eating donuts BUT if you use 30-06 cases to make .308 cases you will end up with donuts you can't eat. :o

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I've made 243 brass out of 30-06. Way to much work. Must have had some extra time on my hands. Did end up with some really good brass.
 
bigedp51 said:
Food for thought ;) I like eating donuts BUT if you use 30-06 cases to make .308 cases you will end up with donuts you can't eat. :o

I haven't had a donut problem since I put a pilot on my trimmer that cuts them out of sized cases. If it's there when I trim, it's not when I finish.

Could do the same with a K&M neck turning tool and donut cutting pilot.
 
I haven't had a donut problem since I put a pilot on my trimmer that cuts them out of sized cases. If it's there when I trim, it's not when I finish.

Could do the same with a K&M neck turning tool and donut cutting pilot.

I have never formed a donut when forming 8mm57, 7mm57, 7.65mm53 BM, 257 Roberts, 7.7 Japanese or 308 W. etc.. I expect donuts when forming 243 Winchester and 6mm Remington cases from 30/06. When forming cases for military chambers I find the military cases do not require neck turning because of the generous chamber necks.

Example: 7mm57 chamber have been reamed to 280 Remington chambers in the belief the 280 Remington reamer will clean up the old chamber, it will except it will not clean up all of the neck. After reaming the neck will have two diameters. Same for the 308 W- 7.62 NATO chamber. By a few it is believed the 308 W is a small 30/06 chamber, not so, the 30.06 chamber reamer will not clean up the 308 W chamber because the 308 W case body/shoulder juncture is larger than the 30/06 case body by from .011" to .014". The old case body/shoulder juncture of the 308 will leave a ring around the 30/06 case when fired.

F. Guffey
 

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