I know it is a bit of a stretch, but wonder if anybody has tried the 30 BR at 1000 yards and if so, what were the results?
30 BR at 1000y
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Longranger,
Mate i have a 30Br with a 1 in 17 Twist Pac-Nor 5groove barrel 24" and can get 3200fps with 115gr projectiles and that was without trying and that was with 33grs of powder have come down to 32.4 and still get 3,000fps.
My Ballistics program tells met at MV of 3,200fps at 1000yards it will still be 1217fps maybe with a slightly higher velocity would be even better who knows if you don`t try. I haven't been able to get to a range long enough yet to even shoot 500yrds will do 400 this coming weekend.
Originally it was said 30Br and 1 in 18twist barrel " Won`t Work" ha ha then it was won`t be any good past 300yards.
I have been told don`t bother bringing your 30BR to a 500yard Fly shoot won`t be any good so shit i will just have to go and see if i can`t prove them wrong.
Mate i have a 30Br with a 1 in 17 Twist Pac-Nor 5groove barrel 24" and can get 3200fps with 115gr projectiles and that was without trying and that was with 33grs of powder have come down to 32.4 and still get 3,000fps.
My Ballistics program tells met at MV of 3,200fps at 1000yards it will still be 1217fps maybe with a slightly higher velocity would be even better who knows if you don`t try. I haven't been able to get to a range long enough yet to even shoot 500yrds will do 400 this coming weekend.
Originally it was said 30Br and 1 in 18twist barrel " Won`t Work" ha ha then it was won`t be any good past 300yards.
I have been told don`t bother bringing your 30BR to a 500yard Fly shoot won`t be any good so shit i will just have to go and see if i can`t prove them wrong.
Good on ya, Aussie Bob. Let us know how it goes. At 1000, the speed is there, the accuracy is there and the shooter who can read the wind should be able to cope with the low BC. What I'd like to hear is the actual result from someone who has tried it.
Yep surely some of the original blokes have had a go out past 500 so come on how did it go and if it is no good at longer ranges why not.
I tried some 125gr Nosler Ballistic tips on the weekend and it is still pushing them at 3,000+ so if we get the launch speed and the accuracy out past 500 why not the 1000??
I will be happy with 500
I tried some 125gr Nosler Ballistic tips on the weekend and it is still pushing them at 3,000+ so if we get the launch speed and the accuracy out past 500 why not the 1000??
I will be happy with 500
AlNyhus
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It's worth noting that Kansas shooter B.D. 'Dave' Green won the opening IBS 600 yd. match at St. Louis, Mo. with his 30BR shoting BIB 125's @ around 3020 fps. This was an IBS/NBRSA legal 10.5 LV. gun, by the way..no heavy weight 'real' 600 yd.BR gun. 
The field was pretty stout and consisted of the 'de riguer 1000 yd. cartridges....300 Wthby's, 300WM, 6.5-284, etc etc. Dave had never shot a 600 yd. match before and several competitors told Dave beforehand that they didn't think the 125's would even make it to 600 yds!
While I wouldn't pick the 30BR as my first choice for a 1000 yd. chambering, it's not like the laws of physics suddenly stop applying and bullets launched from the diminutive BR case suddenly fall from the sky at 301 or 601 yds...if you get my drift. :lol::lol::lol:
Some of the shooting myths and misconceptions that are out there are amazing...we need Buffy the Vampire Slayer to drive a stake throught he heart of a lot of what is considered 'fact'.
For example: "Everybody knows" that you need to use a boat tailed bullet at long range.
Good shootin' and let us know how you do. -Al
The field was pretty stout and consisted of the 'de riguer 1000 yd. cartridges....300 Wthby's, 300WM, 6.5-284, etc etc. Dave had never shot a 600 yd. match before and several competitors told Dave beforehand that they didn't think the 125's would even make it to 600 yds!
While I wouldn't pick the 30BR as my first choice for a 1000 yd. chambering, it's not like the laws of physics suddenly stop applying and bullets launched from the diminutive BR case suddenly fall from the sky at 301 or 601 yds...if you get my drift. :lol::lol::lol:Some of the shooting myths and misconceptions that are out there are amazing...we need Buffy the Vampire Slayer to drive a stake throught he heart of a lot of what is considered 'fact'.
For example: "Everybody knows" that you need to use a boat tailed bullet at long range.
Good shootin' and let us know how you do. -Al
Alnyhus..... Great post... Some of you facts are not right.
The 30br goes to zero velocity,it just falls out of the sky) at 300.25945 yards not 301 yards.
And as far as flat base bullets at longer ranges, everyone knows, that if shot at a target past 300 yards they will do a 180 degree turn and will strike the person on the firing point two positions to your left....
Great Post.............
Chuck
The 30br goes to zero velocity,it just falls out of the sky) at 300.25945 yards not 301 yards.
And as far as flat base bullets at longer ranges, everyone knows, that if shot at a target past 300 yards they will do a 180 degree turn and will strike the person on the firing point two positions to your left....
Great Post.............
Chuck
Ive shot alot of 125gr nosbt out of my .308 at 1000yd, IM shooting them at 3250fps, they were slightly keyholing at 1022, drop was around 40min, these bullets really fell apart after 800yds drop was only 24min, the accuracy wasnt that bad on extremely calm days, but on a typical day they really sucked. I never shot a group on paper but on calm days a clay pigeon or 2lt soda bottle was in trouble. Some time this summer im going to try some 110v-max at extended ranges they shot well at 500yds
....a clay pigeon or 2lt soda bottle was in trouble.....
BR, that comment probably sent a shivver through a few readers who now hope you'll continue to stay away from shooting 1000y paper.
Hopefully someone like Aussie Bob, or Bob himself, will be able to prove the point. Given the surprise that Dave Green gave the St Louis 600 yard shooters, I just suspect that a similar surprise with a 30 BR could happen on the 1000 yard line if the bullet remains supersonic/doesn't try to swap ends.
BR, that comment probably sent a shivver through a few readers who now hope you'll continue to stay away from shooting 1000y paper.
Hopefully someone like Aussie Bob, or Bob himself, will be able to prove the point. Given the surprise that Dave Green gave the St Louis 600 yard shooters, I just suspect that a similar surprise with a 30 BR could happen on the 1000 yard line if the bullet remains supersonic/doesn't try to swap ends.
Well my 115gr HPFB should stay supersonic if i was to push them harder i have no problem launching them at 3200 and no signs of pressure so maybe i can go higher wait till i have done some shorter distances then i will visit the Other Range which has 1000 yards they have invited me many time so will have to go and have a go, they have butts so someone can mark the hits for you. Might take my UHF hand helds as well so much better if someone is telling you exactly where they are going.
< Ive shot alot of 125gr nosbt out of my .308 at 1000yd, IM shooting them at 3250fps, they were slightly keyholing at 1022 . . . . I never shot a group on paper but . . . >
This is puzzling - if you didn't shoot a group on paper, how was the key-holing observed? Gyroscopic stability does not necessarily equate to dynamic stability; thus, it IS possible for bullets to become unstable. Empirical evidence, gathered by some of my spies seems to indicate that [assuming gyroscopically stability is achieved] Flat Base bullets are blessed with inherent DYNAMIC stability. I base this on individuals who were dumb enough to use the BIB thirty caliber 187 Gr. FB for F Class events ranging to 1100 yards - with nary a bobble! Oh, I forgot, the launching platform: the plane Jane .308, at MVs of just below 2600 FPS . . . yes, it defies all conventional thinking. BUT, it works and it works repeatedly and reliably - go figure! That said, I wouldn't leave for a 1K match toting my precious 30 BRor, or, unless REQUIRED by the rules, even a .308!
By the way, the 168 Gr. Sierra International HPBT, as pointed out by [the late] Robert McCoy, is the poster child for DYNAMIC instability, while the bookend 155 and 175 Sierra's are just fine and dandy. Empirical evidence,personal testing and shooter feed-back) suggests that BT bullet designs are more likely to suffer from dynamic instability issues than are FB bullet designs. Assuming DYNAMIC stability, ALL bullets become MORE stable as they shed velocity, thus negotiate the transonic and subsonic quagmire without problems. R.G.
This is puzzling - if you didn't shoot a group on paper, how was the key-holing observed? Gyroscopic stability does not necessarily equate to dynamic stability; thus, it IS possible for bullets to become unstable. Empirical evidence, gathered by some of my spies seems to indicate that [assuming gyroscopically stability is achieved] Flat Base bullets are blessed with inherent DYNAMIC stability. I base this on individuals who were dumb enough to use the BIB thirty caliber 187 Gr. FB for F Class events ranging to 1100 yards - with nary a bobble! Oh, I forgot, the launching platform: the plane Jane .308, at MVs of just below 2600 FPS . . . yes, it defies all conventional thinking. BUT, it works and it works repeatedly and reliably - go figure!
That said, I wouldn't leave for a 1K match toting my precious 30 BRor, or, unless REQUIRED by the rules, even a .308!By the way, the 168 Gr. Sierra International HPBT, as pointed out by [the late] Robert McCoy, is the poster child for DYNAMIC instability, while the bookend 155 and 175 Sierra's are just fine and dandy. Empirical evidence,personal testing and shooter feed-back) suggests that BT bullet designs are more likely to suffer from dynamic instability issues than are FB bullet designs. Assuming DYNAMIC stability, ALL bullets become MORE stable as they shed velocity, thus negotiate the transonic and subsonic quagmire without problems. R.G.
LongRanger said:
LR -- I shoot 1KBR,paper) with BR,BR with BR... :sneaky: )...He can bring that light bullet load anyday he wants to...no one will be afraid of it
One little unseen gust WILL push that little bullet right off the paper. In a tunnel, they might do alright...in the real world, at 1000yds...no way.
Now, when his 6.5 is workin...that's different
Please feel free to bring your 30BR by williamsport for a match...I'll even buy ya lunch
YMMV,
JB
Randy, I never shot any groups with this rifle mostly because I really don't care how this gun shoots at 1000 its not a 1000br rifle i have my two 6.5-284's for that, but i have shot 3 shots on paper at williamsport to see what the bullets were doing, there were shot on a hot day during the summer, all three were slightly key-holing, and for whats its worth the three shots were very spread out horizontally, if i can find the target i'll send you some pics.
Brian Rybicky
Brian Rybicky
Thanks, Brian - I was very curious as to how the key-holing was identified! R.G.
Ok well i shot at 400yards today first time at 400 and shot a 1.25 inch 5 shot group wind drift was 8.5 inches I din`t worry about adjusting for it just wanted to see how it would group so now i need a longer range to i can keep working my way out till it don`t work no more. This is what has been stated by a 1000yrd shooter over here. "..I tell ya what,if i see 1 single 5 shot group on a 1000yd target,42inchs Square) during a comp from a 30br i buyin the beer for that man and i drink Corona's....JR..Jeff Rogers." So all i have to do is get 5 shots in 42inches what do you reckon the chances would be this is the same bloke who told be it would be a waste of time bringing my 30BR to the 500M Fly shoot.
For to-days exercise i used 115grFB BC is about .366 From a Zero of 100yards i wound up 6.25 inches for 400yards.
I reckon i have as good a chance as anyone at the 500m Fly if i can get some practice in. Just don`t know about 1000 but shit i hate being poked. Might just have to keep working my way out don`t give a rats arse if they keyhole just need to get 5 shots in a 42inch square.
For to-days exercise i used 115grFB BC is about .366 From a Zero of 100yards i wound up 6.25 inches for 400yards.
I reckon i have as good a chance as anyone at the 500m Fly if i can get some practice in. Just don`t know about 1000 but shit i hate being poked. Might just have to keep working my way out don`t give a rats arse if they keyhole just need to get 5 shots in a 42inch square.
BR, that comment probably sent a shiver through a few readers who now hope you'll continue to stay away from shooting 1000y paper
Longranger what it this supposed to mean????
BR, my comment about your comment was nothing about safety. Was to the effect that if you are hitting clays and soda bottles at 1000 you might be serious competitor at hitting the 1000y paper 10" x ring with the same rifle.
Longranger what it this supposed to mean????
BR, my comment about your comment was nothing about safety. Was to the effect that if you are hitting clays and soda bottles at 1000 you might be serious competitor at hitting the 1000y paper 10" x ring with the same rifle.
AlNyhus said:It's worth noting that Kansas shooter B.D. 'Dave' Green won the opening IBS 600 yd. match at St. Louis, Mo. with his 30BR shoting BIB 125's @ around 3020 fps. This was an IBS/NBRSA legal 10.5 LV. gun, by the way..no heavy weight 'real' 600 yd.BR gun.
The field was pretty stout and consisted of the 'de riguer 1000 yd. cartridges....300 Wthby's, 300WM, 6.5-284, etc etc. Dave had never shot a 600 yd. match before and several competitors told Dave beforehand that they didn't think the 125's would even make it to 600 yds!
Some of the shooting myths and misconceptions that are out there are amazing...we need Buffy the Vampire Slayer to drive a stake throught he heart of a lot of what is considered 'fact'.
For example: "Everybody knows" that you need to use a boat tailed bullet at long range.
Good shootin' and let us know how you do. -Al
Although he won 1 match with a 30 br there hasn't been any wins to my knowledge of one since and there has been a few come out and give it a try over in NC. It's like a PPC it's great at100-300 yds and yes it may slip in and win a match at 600 yds one day but on an overall avg it's going to see alot more losses than wins same will go with the 30 BR. It seems either the 6mm bullets and the 80 grn 22 cals seem to be the most common in the winner circle of lately. I'll stand behind this and say the 22 cal pushed fast is going to be the 600 yd ticket for consistent winning ability, as the BC is good and we can push them hard and this makes them more forgiven to the wind as to the heavier and slower bullets. If you look at the last 3 matches shot in St Louis it's been dominated with a 22 caliber. The 30 br is a nice design but it's place is not for 600-1000 yd matches in my opinion. As if it were you would see more guns built on this instead of the Dashers or BR's.
James,
I agree the 30Br is most suited to 300m but has had some success at the longer ranges out to 600.
I built my 30Br for Hunter/Class score shooting which it is ideal for.,24in barrel)
But when you have someone with a 40lb rifle tell you don`t bother with your little 13lb 30BR you don`t stand a chance i get my back up, I don`t give up that easy. Not only that i would like to see just how far i can push it, I don`t expect to win any comps out past 500m but don`t want to be left wondering if it can get there.
I had fully intended to get another barrel in 6 or 6.5mm for long range shooting just haven`t decided on a case yet would like to use all my once fired 243 brass if possible i have hundreds of cases and the f-Class tracker stock and Barnard action will handle what ever i decide on.
I agree the 30Br is most suited to 300m but has had some success at the longer ranges out to 600.
I built my 30Br for Hunter/Class score shooting which it is ideal for.,24in barrel)
But when you have someone with a 40lb rifle tell you don`t bother with your little 13lb 30BR you don`t stand a chance i get my back up, I don`t give up that easy. Not only that i would like to see just how far i can push it, I don`t expect to win any comps out past 500m but don`t want to be left wondering if it can get there.
I had fully intended to get another barrel in 6 or 6.5mm for long range shooting just haven`t decided on a case yet would like to use all my once fired 243 brass if possible i have hundreds of cases and the f-Class tracker stock and Barnard action will handle what ever i decide on.
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