284 Shehane questions

[effendude]

Considering the addition of a .284 barrel to my Barnard action for F-open shoots. I have read the 7mm page about the Shehane but have some questions. Will a standard 284 seating die such as a Forster work or do you need a special Shehane seater? Also, I would assume if you want to size more than the neck, you would need a special full length die. Can you .284 Shehane shooters help me out? How are you reloading?
Thanks,
Scott

 

[1967spud]

the shehane 284 differs from the std .284 in one area only and that is there is 10 thou less body taper on the shehane case

you will need both neck sizing and fl sizing dies bulit for the shehane along with the shehane seating die as the std .284 dies are way to loose for the shehane as for loading the shehane have a look here http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6EB7883DC094122C&feature=mh_lolz

 

[habu]

FWIW - just go with a .284. forget the shehane.

you get very little extra with shehane plus you pay a bunch more for the dies plus reamer. than 'fire form' cases, etc.

load up some berger 180 'hybrids' with h4831sc/h1000/h4350 [about 43 grs of h4350/48 grs of h4831 sc] you'll get vel. in the low 2800's with super acc.

now, if you need vel., go straight to the 7 WSM or 7 MAG.
but be ready for recoil, etc.

good luck

habu

 

[Erik Cortina]

You will get 50-100 fps. faster than the straight 284, but you will need a Shehane set of dies.

I have a set of dies and a reamer, if you are interested I'll make you a package deal.

 

[AusFclass]

a whole lot of messing around for not much gain. save the money that youd spend on custom dies and fireforming brass with a shehane and buy an magnum bolt for your barnard. get the barrel chambered in 7RASUM and run 180 VLD's at 3000 easy.

 

[ThunderDownUnder]

I shoot a 284 Shehane and love its extreme accaracy and ease of getting a load to work well. I got my dies from Bill Shehane at this website http://scopeusout.com/ I also used my reamer run into the bullet tube of a Redding Match Bullet Seater. I use both Redding and Wilson dies and Bill can provide both dies to suit the Shehane.

I used to think the 7mm SAUM would be the better choice for a do it all 7mm F-Open calibre, but I dont think that anymore. I shoot with a couple of top F-Open shooters who have tried to get the SUAM humming but its a much more difficult task than with the sweet shooting Shehane. Accurate loads are easy to develop for the 284S but a lot more work needs to be done to get the SAUM to the same level of accuracy.

The Lapua brass for the 284 is a plus but loads need to stay in the usable pressure zone to avoid head expansion. I advise long barrels, (32") and then velocities of 2930fps for 180gr and 3000fps for 162gr bullets are achievable with great accuracy. Last time I shot in competition using 162gr Amax at short range, (2 weeks ago at 300 metres) I managed a 100.9 and a 100.7 and that was in variable cross winds of 3 MOA. This gun can launch 162 - 180 gr bullets accurately at sane velocities. The SUAM is a great calibre that will get you much higher velocities but not necessarily the highest score!

Ian

 

[1967spud]

Ian what load and powdwer are you using there.

 

[1shot]

Ian,
There are no dies listed on the site you posted. Now it sounds like a custom proposition.
Lloyd

 

[AusFclass]

I shoot a 284 Shehane and love its extreme accaracy and ease of getting a load to work well. I got my dies from Bill Shehane at this website http://scopeusout.com/ I also used my reamer run into the bullet tube of a Redding Match Bullet Seater. I use both Redding and Wilson dies and Bill can provide both dies to suit the Shehane.

I used to think the 7mm SAUM would be the better choice for a do it all 7mm F-Open calibre, but I dont think that anymore. I shoot with a couple of top F-Open shooters who have tried to get the SUAM humming but its a much more difficult task than with the sweet shooting Shehane. Accurate loads are easy to develop for the 284S but a lot more work needs to be done to get the SAUM to the same level of accuracy.

The Lapua brass for the 284 is a plus but loads need to stay in the usable pressure zone to avoid head expansion. I advise long barrels, (32") and then velocities of 2930fps for 180gr and 3000fps for 162gr bullets are achievable with great accuracy. Last time I shot in competition using 162gr Amax at short range, (2 weeks ago at 300 metres) I managed a 100.9 and a 100.7 and that was in variable cross winds of 3 MOA. This gun can launch 162 - 180 gr bullets accurately at sane velocities. The SUAM is a great calibre that will get you much higher velocities but not necessarily the highest score!

Ian

ian no one in SA and probably all of OZ has put as much time and effort in to tuning and developing a 7SAUM as you have spent on your shehane. your attention to detail and ticking every single accuracy box is what helps you acchieve the scores you get. danny biggs and jerry tierny and charls ballard cant all be wrong. both the 7SAUM and 7 shehane will probably both give the same level of accuracy if developed with exactly the same attention to detail.

 

[1967spud]

Ian,
There are no dies listed on the site you posted. Now it sounds like a custom proposition.
Lloyd

Email them 1shot they deffo have them as thats where i have got mine and a few sets for other people


email diane shehane on that site her husband wildcatted it in the first place

 

[Erik Cortina]

I have a set that came from Bill Shehane that I will sell for $275.00 Shipped.
It has a Redding FL neck bushing die and a Wilson seater. The FL die has been polished to give better fit and size brass to a minimum.

 

[ThunderDownUnder]

I shoot a 284 Shehane and love its extreme accaracy and ease of getting a load to work well. I got my dies from Bill Shehane at this website http://scopeusout.com/ I also used my reamer run into the bullet tube of a Redding Match Bullet Seater. I use both Redding and Wilson dies and Bill can provide both dies to suit the Shehane.

I used to think the 7mm SAUM would be the better choice for a do it all 7mm F-Open calibre, but I dont think that anymore. I shoot with a couple of top F-Open shooters who have tried to get the SUAM humming but its a much more difficult task than with the sweet shooting Shehane. Accurate loads are easy to develop for the 284S but a lot more work needs to be done to get the SAUM to the same level of accuracy.

The Lapua brass for the 284 is a plus but loads need to stay in the usable pressure zone to avoid head expansion. I advise long barrels, (32") and then velocities of 2930fps for 180gr and 3000fps for 162gr bullets are achievable with great accuracy. Last time I shot in competition using 162gr Amax at short range, (2 weeks ago at 300 metres) I managed a 100.9 and a 100.7 and that was in variable cross winds of 3 MOA. This gun can launch 162 - 180 gr bullets accurately at sane velocities. The SUAM is a great calibre that will get you much higher velocities but not necessarily the highest score!

Ian

ian no one in SA and probably all of OZ has put as much time and effort in to tuning and developing a 7SAUM as you have spent on your shehane. your attention to detail and ticking every single accuracy box is what helps you acchieve the scores you get. danny biggs and jerry tierny and charls ballard cant all be wrong. both the 7SAUM and 7 shehane will probably both give the same level of accuracy if developed with exactly the same attention to detail.

Thanks for the compliment, but I'll tell you a little story about me and my Shehane. I won the SA State Championships last year with my brand new Shehane. It was a new calibre to me then and I had only 200 shots down the barrel when I entered that competition and won it.

Since then I have constantly experimented with various loads and taken new brass to the limits and beyond to see what the Shehane is capable of in terms of accuracy. I have found its limits in terms of case pressure and head expansion but I think accuracy was and still is easy to achieve as this calibre has a very wide accuracy node.

I wish you well with your new 7mm RSAUM and maybe see you at this years upcoming State Champs in a couple of weeks.

PS
The dies are available from the website I posted earlier, just use the contact form and ask Bill Shehane what he has and get the dies sent out to you. Thats where I got mine from, so unless Bill has stopped selling these dies recently (I dont think so) put in an order with one of BR's gentlemen shooters.

PSS
To answer the question on what loads I currently use I'll list them below. Dont assume my loads will work the same in your chamber and always start low and work up. Custom no-neck turn chamber in 32" Krieger 5R barrel with Barnard action.
57.0gr AR2213SC (H4831) for the 180gr Berger VLDs @ 2930fps
58.0gr AR2213SC (H4831) for the 162gr Hornady Amax @ 3000fps

Ian

 

[fordwrench]

bill is a great guy to deal with. you can take his word to the bank too! give him a call, you wont be sorry. my shooting has improved alot since ive been a faithful customer of his. pat diorio

 

[Bobr]

Anyone using Bill Shehanes .284 dies have a copy of the Reamer print or print# used in your chamber. Just spoke to Bill and he told me the Mark King print will not work with his dies.

 

[o2fish]

Hmmmm
I use Bill Shehane Dies and my reamer is from Mark Kings print # 15165
I changed the neck to .317 and the freebore to .230. But that's it.
I just took my barrel off with 2400 rounds down it.
Also won the Western Canadian F-Class Championships and the Montana State Championship this year.
All seems to work for ME 8) 8)

What did Bill Say ????

 

[Bobr]

This is in regard to the Redding type S fl sizer Bill sells. According to a pm I received from another member and after getting and checking the 2 prints against each other 2 dimensions were different. King at bolt face .5029 vs .5019, Bolt face to neck King 1.886 vs 1.8835 which the member who pmed me stated would tend to work the brass more.
Don't know how big a deal this is just passing on the info.

 

[Kyle Schultz]

I'm playing with a Shehane now. Can't swear on the souls of my children that it's worth the expense but I've seen enough to continue to work on it.

That said, if you're committed to trying it, here's what my research would suggest.

The King reamer is setup for Lapua brass. For a setting die, just buy a standard Redding .284 die and use your reamer to open it up. The metal "sleeve" in the die is not hardened and using your reamer to open it up is easy.

For resizing, I strongly recommend the Warner die. Look for the review of this die on the old 6mmbr site. It will be custom fit to your fired brass and will resize your brass perfectly. I worked with Dan Warner and he was extremely helpful and patient
with me. They are about $400 but if you ever change calibers they can cut a new liner for about $75.

Hope this helps.