28 Nosler

[Ledd Slinger]

People have necked down the 375 Ruger to just about everything already. From 6.5 to 35 cal. Nosler is just systematically commercializing them with an ever so slight different case design. The Nosler design is only 0.010" longer than the 375 Ruger case, but everything else is basically the same.

Everything else is NOT basically the same.

The 375 Ruger (and wildcats) has a .532 head. The 26 Nosler (and derivatives) has a .550 head and is based on a shortened 300 RUM case (404 Jeffery Based). I imagine that if you tried to form a 26 or 28 Nosler from a 375 Ruger case you may be about to have a bad day (if you're really, really careful and lucky you may get away with it).

Not to offend you, but you are wrong. Not sure which case dimension diagram you have read, but the rim is a standard Magnum .532"-.534". The body of the case is about .550" (which is a little wider than the 375 Ruger), but it has a smaller rebated rim. It may be based off 404 case, just like all the Dakota Magnums, but unlike the Dakotas, it uses a standard magnum bolt face. You could say that the Dakota magnums are nearly identical except for the rim. But the 375 Ruger is the next closest thing and uses the same bolt face with the same case capacity. Do a Google search for 26 Nosler SAAMI case dimensions and you'll see it is what I say. Good talk

PS: the key word in my earlier post was "basically"

I said head, not rim. If you want to consider a case that is .018" smaller at the head and .013 smaller at the shoulder "basically" the same, go ahead, but I doubt that it is good practice.

Sorry for the misunderstanding on the rim, my fault. I always think of that part as the 'base'. But that's all pointless really. The main point I'm trying to make here is that there have already been wildcats designed to give good functioning in the same size action with the same performance. Everyone seems to think that the Nosler design is some late and great new thing when Dakota arms did it a LONG time ago. Of course the downfall of the Dakota magnums success was most likely due to not rebating the rim to fit a standard magnum bolt face. This is where I believe the Nosler design is much better. But then again, wildcatters have already shortened Ultra Mag cases to various calibers. However, I DO believe that Nosler is filling one of the very few niches left in commercially produced firearms and reloading components. And when coming from a company with a reputable name like Nosler, it will most likely succeed decently in the market.

 

[Catfur]

If you were just talking about general categories of performance, I understand you saying basically the same. I just don't want people to get the idea one cartridge is interchangeable with, or formable from the other.

Another downfall of the Dakota magnum cartridges success is: they're proprietary. The new Nosler cartridges are SAAMI standardized, available for anyone to make rifles, ammo, reamers, etc... for. My smith says it's proving to be quite the hot little number, as far as interest and people buying them go.

 

[su35]

While I do like belt-less, the 28 won't do anything that my 7mm Wby will do with book loads out of a 24" barrel.

175's at 3,100 and 150's at 3,300 mv.

On the other note, youre kind of right. Performance wise, the 28 Nosler and 7mm WBY will be similar. But length of the case on your Weatherby is much longer which limits the seating depth possibilities of high BC bullets in a Magnum action.

Pure BALONEY! You must not own or shoot the Wby case out of a Stock Remington barreled action.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

If you were just talking about general categories of performance, I understand you saying basically the same. I just don't want people to get the idea one cartridge is interchangeable with, or formable from the other.

Another downfall of the Dakota magnum cartridges success is: they're proprietary. The new Nosler cartridges are SAAMI standardized, available for anyone to make rifles, ammo, reamers, etc... for. My smith says it's proving to be quite the hot little number, as far as interest and people buying them go.

Right. Understood and a good point. Wasn't trying to imply that 26 or 28 Nosler brass could be made from the 375R, and sorry if anyone assumed that. Was just saying that there are designs already out there that give the same performance in the same size action using the same bolt face. But being that they are wildcats and not commercially manufactured SAAMI rounds, the knowledge of them is limited.

Pretty much every type of performance you can dream up in any bore size with various length actions has been designed and used at some point by wildcatters of old and new.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

While I do like belt-less, the 28 won't do anything that my 7mm Wby will do with book loads out of a 24" barrel.

175's at 3,100 and 150's at 3,300 mv.

On the other note, youre kind of right. Performance wise, the 28 Nosler and 7mm WBY will be similar. But length of the case on your Weatherby is much longer which limits the seating depth possibilities of high BC bullets in a Magnum action.

Pure BALONEY! You must not own or shoot the Wby case out of a Stock Remington barreled action.

You're right, it was baloney I think the 7mm WBY case is actually a little shorter. I was just talkin out my rear on that one

 

[CJ6]

Another downfall of the Dakota magnum cartridges success is: they're proprietary. The new Nosler cartridges are SAAMI standardized, available for anyone to make rifles, ammo, reamers, etc... for. My smith says it's proving to be quite the hot little number, as far as interest and people buying them go.

Excatly.... If the Dakota line had not been proprietary I don't think the Nosler line would even be ,and all that Lapua brass too. Dakotas are a great line and Nosler is capitalizing on their absence.

 

[effendude]

Here is some of the reasoning behind my decision to build one.
1) The shelf at my LGS (Gunstop in MN) has more Nosler brass on the shelf than any other mfg. Brass should be easy to get
2) Nosler brass is gorgeous, right out of the box. Prime, load and shoot.
3) Brass is durable enough to handle hot 300RUM loads for several loadings
4) Brass, while not cheap, won't caused me to cry if I lose a few while hunting
5) No belt
6) Fits in a std length action, so using a mag action will allow long bullets to seated out in the neck and still fit in the mag
7) Because it is new and cool

I have many rifles that use cartridges more than 100 years old. They are fun to load and shoot. I also have some of the most modern rifles and cartridges. They all have their place. If we compare any new cartridge, the "Why" argument could be made. Reloading manuals and gun catalogs are filled with choices that are all similar to one another in performance. We are free to choose. We should celebrate the fact that we have the freedom to make those choices!

Scott

 

[kev77]

7MM HULK!!!!!!! I SAY NO MORE.....

 

[Ledd Slinger]

... If we compare any new cartridge, the "Why" argument could be made. Reloading manuals and gun catalogs are filled with choices that are all similar to one another in performance. We are free to choose. We should celebrate the fact that we have the freedom to make those choices!

Scott

Well said. Can't argue with that!

Hope you enjoy your new 28 Nosler. Keep us posted on how it turns out.

 

[wwbrown]

We are free to choose. We should celebrate the fact that we have the freedom to make those choices!

Scott

People often say there is not a need for cartridge XYZ, whether a factory round or wildcat, imagine how few guns we would have if we just bought them when there was a NEED for them. I probably would not have been able to buy a gun past the age of 14 if I had to justify it based on need. I may have bought one or two because I wanted it.

wade

 

[nosualc]

We are free to choose. We should celebrate the fact that we have the freedom to make those choices!

Scott

People often say there is not a need for cartridge XYZ, whether a factory round or wildcat, imagine how few guns we would have if we just bought them when there was a NEED for them. I probably would not have been able to buy a gun past the age of 14 if I had to justify it based on need. I may have bought one or two because I wanted it.

wade

What fun would that be? We'd all have a 12 gauge, 22rf and a .30-06 and nothing to argue about in internet forums.

-nosualc

 

[Catfur]

I need new guns, in all varieties and cartridges, to exercise my right to keep and bear arms, lest it atrophy.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

He DID ask us to 'hate' on it. ;D

 

[carpooler]

I think that this may help clear the waters. Dave Kiff of PT&G worked with me making a Ruger Schuler 8mm Wildcat. With the case tapers of an Americanized Schuler case, if I deep ream 1/4 inch deeper than my Ruger based wildcat's GO gauge, I need to switch over to the R.U.M. or now Nosler cases. Now here's the downside. I used a 375 Ruger Basic case, vs. a 338 R.U.M. one and ran both through most of my case forming die set, making 338 R.U.M. length tapered wildcats out of both of them. Both chamber in my Remmie 700 338 R.U.M. like a hot knife going through butter. But the R.U.M. based one, which is now the same length as the reformed Ruger Basic, only had 95 grs. of H2O to the Ruger's 92 grs.of H2O. Sadly, the rebated rimless case design means more brass inside the case head to prevent shearing, so there's really no gain over a reformed 375 Ruger Basic case. And you still get one more Ruger based cartridge in a standard magazine. Although in the M-700 Rem. I did have to order a different magazine follower, to keep the Ruger cases, and later the 300 Win. Mags. from going down one side of the well. Remington Parts has about a dozen different followers for their various M-700's.

 

[hogpatrol]

Dang! This thread is still going? Anyhoo, Updates on my two .26 Noslers, the Lilja 1-8 non nitrided isn't burning out as fast as I expected but the Brux has grown over .030 at around 500 rds. I haven't borescoped it YET. It's gotta be ugly. ;D Got the parts & pieces for the .28 but still waiting on a bushing die from Redding.

 

[4xforfun]

I gotta ask a question here. I have been seeing "Magnum action" and long or regular action for four pages of posts. Someone please tell me the difference between a Remington 700 Long action VS a 700 Magnum action!!!

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I gotta ask a question here. I have been seeing "Magnum action" and long or regular action for four pages of posts. Someone please tell me the difference between a Remington 700 Long action VS a 700 Magnum action!!!

Nothing really except feed rails and bolt face.

Now if they are referring to the "Ultra Mag" action, then the difference is that the bolt face stops farther back in the receiver when pulled fully rearward to utilize the full length of the magazine. I believe the magazine is also very slightly longer, but not much.

 

[4xforfun]

I gotta ask a question here. I have been seeing "Magnum action" and long or regular action for four pages of posts. Someone please tell me the difference between a Remington 700 Long action VS a 700 Magnum action!!!

Nothing really except feed rails and bolt face.

Now if they are referring to the "Ultra Mag" action, then the difference is that the bolt face stops farther back in the receiver when pulled fully rearward to utilize the full length of the magazine. I believe the magazine is also very slightly longer, but not much.

Exactly...so would people please quit saying "magnum length action" please. LOL No such animal.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Touche! ;D

 

[trailrider121]

Here is some of the reasoning behind my decision to build one.
1) The shelf at my LGS (Gunstop in MN) has more Nosler brass on the shelf than any other mfg. Brass should be easy to get
2) Nosler brass is gorgeous, right out of the box. Prime, load and shoot.
3) Brass is durable enough to handle hot 300RUM loads for several loadings
4) Brass, while not cheap, won't caused me to cry if I lose a few while hunting
5) No belt
6) Fits in a std length action, so using a mag action will allow long bullets to seated out in the neck and still fit in the mag
7) Because it is new and cool

I have many rifles that use cartridges more than 100 years old. They are fun to load and shoot. I also have some of the most modern rifles and cartridges. They all have their place. If we compare any new cartridge, the "Why" argument could be made. Reloading manuals and gun catalogs are filled with choices that are all similar to one another in performance. We are free to choose. We should celebrate the fact that we have the freedom to make those choices!

Scott

Effendude,

Did you decide with the 28 nosler build? I plan to build one using 180 hybrids, and be primarily a LR hunting rifle. I'm curious to how much feerbore to use for this chambering. I might try some 195's later down the road.