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.260 AI and RL-23 Results

JLT

This is what I have to work with . . .
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I finished a work-up with RL-23 in my .260 AI recently and thought some might find the results interesting. In short, I found this powder long on velocity and capable of producing excellent accuracy. Data follows:

Rifle -
Savage PTA, .260 AI, Criterion large shank bull profile, .160 freebore, 28", 1:8" twist
Sightron SIII 8-32x56

Load -
Lapua .260 brass, fire formed and 2x fired, annealed
Sellier & Bellot LRM primer
RL-23, 46.1 grains - 47.6 grains in .3 increments
Berger 140 gr. Hybrid seated to 2.180" CBTO

Conditions
44* F, mostly sunny, light and variable winds 7 - 8 o'clock

The OCW work up was done without the MagnetoSpeed attached and I used a seating depth that has worked well for this specific bullet and several others as a test value.

Five shot groups were fired for each charge weight at 100 yards off of a rest. Each charge produced decent accuracy but the groups started to tighten up at 46.7 grains. Approximate group sizes were:

- 46.1 gr., .61"
- 46.4 gr., .77"
- 46.7 gr., .52"
- 47.0 gr., .47"
- 47.3 gr., .30"
- 47.6 gr., .41"

47.6 was probably a bit on the warm side - the brass has some slight ejector marks, although the primers did not look particularly stressed and the bolt lift was fine. Since 47.3 produced a very nice, symmetrical group I loaded up 15 more at this charge weight. Ten were fired with the MagnetoSpeed on the barrel and a five shot group was fired to confirm the accuracy. Chronograph results were:

Series 1 Shots: 10
Min 3,033 Max 3,054
Avg 3,041.40 S-D 6.98
ES 21
Series Shot Speed
1 1 3,036 ft/s
1 2 3,037 ft/s
1 3 3,054 ft/s
1 4 3,041 ft/s
1 5 3,051 ft/s
1 6 3,046 ft/s
1 7 3,033 ft/s
1 8 3,035 ft/s
1 9 3,039 ft/s
1 10 3,042 ft/s

My thoughts - Holy crap! That's pretty fast! The string statistics were solid as well. I was hoping the accuracy validation would hold up.

Here's how that turned out:

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The one out to the left was called - knew it as soon as the shot broke. Oddly, it was not the typical fifth shot spoiler, rather it was the second shot in the string. The other four are in the low twos - high teens. That's plenty good enough for my purposes.

I'm pleased with RL-23's performance. The 47.3 gr. charge showed no signs of pressure - not a hint of an ejector mark and case head measurement of the fired brass was no different than a sized case and the primer pockets seemed unaffected. Given the velocities, I measured each case head very carefully and paid close attention to the primer pockets and I'm comfortable with this load in my rifle. I may fiddle around with seating depth just a touch but it's one of those happy situations that if I never get around to it, no big deal. Getting 6.5-.284 speed out of the .260 AI case with excellent accuracy and not trashing the brass is a great outcome, IMO. The powder's temperature stability is a nice bonus, too.

I'll be giving it the pasture test one of these days (we have 600 yards marked off in one of my neighbor's pastures) and see how the load holds up at long range.

Lastly, thanks to @ShootDots for the guidance. A couple of his posts substantially narrowed the possibilities for me.
 
Good info. I' getting ready to do more testing with mine and the 140rdf and 4831. I'm hoping to be right around 2950ish if I can get enough powder in the case (not using short cut).
 
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Good info. I' getting ready to do more testing with mine and the 140rdf and 4831. I'm hoping to be right around 2950ish if I can get enough powder in the case (not using short cut).
I had very similar results with the 140 gr. RDF as well. 47.3 gr. did the trick with that bullet too, and the shot string stats were actually a little better. I jumped the RDF a bit - CBTO was 2.165" - as prior experience with the RDF clearly indicated a preference for jump. The Hybrid edged the RDF in terms of accuracy but, honestly, the difference is within what I can hold. The RDF produced slightly higher velocity and a little bit more vertical at 100, if that means anything.

Both bullets are going to get the pasture test at 600 as soon as weather permits.

I've been right around 2,950 with 48.1 gr. of 4831 and 4831SC in the .260 AI case. Use a 4" or longer drop tube with regular 4831 and you shouldn't have a problem getting that into the case with only modest compression. Solid load, that.
 
That 140 hybrid is hammering at that speed!!! With the accuracy its a win win, well done
Thanks, Cap'n. I was quite pleased with the results at 100 - really good speed. It should do well at longer ranges - there's no reason to expect anything different.

Now I'm thinking about building a .260 AI hunting rig around the 140 gr. Hunting VLD. Numbers like this bring all sorts of possibilities to the table. Like I need another rifle . . . .

Did I just say that?!?
 
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Thank you for the detailed write-up, JLT. Looking forward to the 600 yd. testing results.
I'll be out there as soon as the lake effect snow abates. I hope the winds shift and I don't have to wait for Erie and Ontario to freeze!
 
I had very similar results with the 140 gr. RDF as well. 47.3 gr. did the trick with that bullet too, and the shot string stats were actually a little better. I jumped the RDF a bit - CBTO was 2.165" - as prior experience with the RDF clearly indicated a preference for jump. The Hybrid edged the RDF in terms of accuracy but, honestly, the difference is within what I can hold. The RDF produced slightly higher velocity and a little bit more vertical at 100, if that means anything.

Both bullets are going to get the pasture test at 600 as soon as weather permits.

I've been right around 2,950 with 48.1 gr. of 4831 and 4831SC in the .260 AI case. Use a 4" or longer drop tube with regular 4831 and you shouldn't have a problem getting that into the case with only modest compression. Solid load, that.

Thanks, I've got a velocity/pressure ladder loaded up in some fully formed cases, starting at 46gr up to 48.5 but I have to drive to Sacramento (1hr) to use their 300 yard range. The closer ranges are 200 yard, which won't show me a whole lot of vertical that close.

I don't use a drop tube, I just pour it slowly and tap the cases, it drops down to about the neck/shoulder junction at 48gr. Lightly compressed when seated about -0.030.
 
Thanks, Cap'n. I was quite pleased with the results at 100 - really good speed. It should do well at longer ranges - there's no reason to expect anything different.

Now I'm thinking about building a .260 AI hunting rig around the 140 gr. Hunting VLD. Numbers like this bring all sorts of possibilities to the table. Like I need another rifle . . . .

Did I just say that?!?

Im planning n LR Fopen rifle and was thinking maybe 6.5-284 or 300wsm, the 260ai crossed my mind and If I can get 3000fps with a pointed 140Hybrid without blowing brass it shouldnt be to far behind the 284s.
 
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Im planning n LR Fopen rifle and was thinking maybe 6.5-284 or 300wsm, the 260ai crossed my mind and If I can get 3000fps with a pointed 140Hybrid without blowing brass it shouldnt be to far behind the 284s.
Hello Capt.! If you want a 6.5 for F-Open, that will not be far behind the .284s, I will tell you what I am doing. I am building a 6.5 x 284 with a 7.5 twist barrel in order to shoot the NEW 150 SMKs. They have a .713B.C.! I have ZERO DOUBT you will be able to go P-A-S-T 3000f.p.s. with H1000, RL-26, N165 and "depending", even Retumbo.. When I started in F-Open I had 2 / 6.5 x 284s and they did well. They were accurate and were really not TOO far behind the .284s. But they were not the equal of them either. ENTER the 150SMK.. Run this bullet in whatever ballistic calculator you desire and see which one bucks the wind better, a 6.5 x 284 with the 150s or a .284 with the 180 Hybrid. Most .284s run the 180s from about 2775 to 2840. I believe the 150s in the 6.5 x 284 with be "in the vicinity" of 2950. Then, after you run the ballistics just see what happens! I believe this bullet not only can be a "Game Changer", I believe it will!
 
Im planning n LR Fopen rifle and was thinking maybe 6.5-284 or 300wsm, the 260ai crossed my mind and If I can get 3000fps with a pointed 140Hybrid without blowing brass it shouldnt be to far behind the 284s.
I have a 6.5-.284 Norma in an Eliseo chassis and I love it. I can drive nails with the thing. The current LR load for this one is 54.0 gr. of RL-26 and I'm getting right around 3,050 fps with a 140. However, the .260 AI can get essentially the same velocity with ~7 gr. less powder with RL-23.

I've been thinking about working up a load with the new 150 gr. Sierra MK for the 6.5-.284 - in theory, the larger case is better-suited to the longer, heavier bullet. If I can get the velocity to a point where there is a material advantage over the 140s, then I'll have another tool in the box. The 6.5-.284 will get the nod on the days when the wind blows and the .260 will see use otherwise. I need all the help I can get when conditions are difficult.
 
I have a 6.5-.284 Norma in an Eliseo chassis and I love it. I can drive nails with the thing. The current LR load for this one is 54.0 gr. of RL-26 and I'm getting right around 3,050 fps with a 140. However, the .260 AI can get essentially the same velocity with ~7 gr. less powder with RL-23.

I've been thinking about working up a load with the new 150 gr. Sierra MK for the 6.5-.284 - in theory, the larger case is better-suited to the longer, heavier bullet. If I can get the velocity to a point where there is a material advantage over the 140s, then I'll have another tool in the box. The 6.5-.284 will get the nod on the days when the wind blows and the .260 will see use otherwise. I need all the help I can get when conditions are difficult.
Hey JLT, you have been reading my mind! Or is it "Great minds think alike"! LOL!!
 
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Hello Capt.! If you want a 6.5 for F-Open, that will not be far behind the .284s, I will tell you what I am doing. I am building a 6.5 x 284 with a 7.5 twist barrel in order to shoot the NEW 150 SMKs. They have a .713B.C.! I have ZERO DOUBT you will be able to go P-A-S-T 3000f.p.s. with H1000, RL-26, N165 and "depending", even Retumbo.. When I started in F-Open I had 2 / 6.5 x 284s and they did well. They were accurate and were really not TOO far behind the .284s. But they were not the equal of them either. ENTER the 150SMK.. Run this bullet in whatever ballistic calculator you desire and see which one bucks the wind better, a 6.5 x 284 with the 150s or a .284 with the 180 Hybrid. Most .284s run the 180s from about 2775 to 2840. I believe the 150s in the 6.5 x 284 with be "in the vicinity" of 2950. Then, after you run the ballistics just see what happens! I believe this bullet not only can be a "Game Changer", I believe it will!
It looks like our thinking is aligned on this one. I sincerely hope that doesn't mean that you're losing you fastball, too . . . .

I'm hoping H-1000 will deliver the speed in the larger case with the 150. RL-26 has produced remarkable velocity in every instance, but it IS sensitive to ambient temperature. I'll have less to fret about if H-1000 delivers the goods.

Thanks, ShootDots!
 
I just picked up a pound of rl23 today, impulse buy as it was on sale for $20, they only had one though. I'll give it a go probably this spring, I've got a bunch of 4831, which is why I am using it currently, but I'm going to keep this info tucked away for reference when I get ready.
 
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I just picked up a pound of rl23 today, impulse buy as it was on sale for $20, they only had one though. I'll give it a go probably this spring, I've got a bunch of 4831, which is why I am using it currently, but I'm going to keep this info tucked away for reference when I get ready.
You got it for less than cost - as a dealer, I couldn't get a pound for $20! If it doesn't work for you, you can use it to fire form but I hope it works well for you.
 
If it doesn' work for me, I'll give it to my dad for his 6mm Rem, he has 3 of them. Would be excellent in that cart too.
 
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I finished a work-up with RL-23 in my .260 AI recently and thought some might find the results interesting. In short, I found this powder long on velocity and capable of producing excellent accuracy. Data follows:

Rifle -
Savage PTA, .260 AI, Criterion large shank bull profile, .160 freebore, 28", 1:8" twist
Sightron SIII 8-32x56

Load -
Lapua .260 brass, fire formed and 2x fired, annealed
Sellier & Bellot LRM primer
RL-23, 46.1 grains - 47.6 grains in .3 increments
Berger 140 gr. Hybrid seated to 2.180" CBTO

Conditions
44* F, mostly sunny, light and variable winds 7 - 8 o'clock

The OCW work up was done without the MagnetoSpeed attached and I used a seating depth that has worked well for this specific bullet and several others as a test value.

Five shot groups were fired for each charge weight at 100 yards off of a rest. Each charge produced decent accuracy but the groups started to tighten up at 46.7 grains. Approximate group sizes were:

- 46.1 gr., .61"
- 46.4 gr., .77"
- 46.7 gr., .52"
- 47.0 gr., .47"
- 47.3 gr., .30"
- 47.6 gr., .41"

47.6 was probably a bit on the warm side - the brass has some slight ejector marks, although the primers did not look particularly stressed and the bolt lift was fine. Since 47.3 produced a very nice, symmetrical group I loaded up 15 more at this charge weight. Ten were fired with the MagnetoSpeed on the barrel and a five shot group was fired to confirm the accuracy. Chronograph results were:

Series 1 Shots: 10
Min 3,033 Max 3,054
Avg 3,041.40 S-D 6.98
ES 21
Series Shot Speed
1 1 3,036 ft/s
1 2 3,037 ft/s
1 3 3,054 ft/s
1 4 3,041 ft/s
1 5 3,051 ft/s
1 6 3,046 ft/s
1 7 3,033 ft/s
1 8 3,035 ft/s
1 9 3,039 ft/s
1 10 3,042 ft/s

My thoughts - Holy crap! That's pretty fast! The string statistics were solid as well. I was hoping the accuracy validation would hold up.

Here's how that turned out:

View attachment 1029108

The one out to the left was called - knew it as soon as the shot broke. Oddly, it was not the typical fifth shot spoiler, rather it was the second shot in the string. The other four are in the low twos - high teens. That's plenty good enough for my purposes.

I'm pleased with RL-23's performance. The 47.3 gr. charge showed no signs of pressure - not a hint of an ejector mark and case head measurement of the fired brass was no different than a sized case and the primer pockets seemed unaffected. Given the velocities, I measured each case head very carefully and paid close attention to the primer pockets and I'm comfortable with this load in my rifle. I may fiddle around with seating depth just a touch but it's one of those happy situations that if I never get around to it, no big deal. Getting 6.5-.284 speed out of the .260 AI case with excellent accuracy and not trashing the brass is a great outcome, IMO. The powder's temperature stability is a nice bonus, too.

I'll be giving it the pasture test one of these days (we have 600 yards marked off in one of my neighbor's pastures) and see how the load holds up at long range.

Lastly, thanks to @ShootDots for the guidance. A couple of his posts substantially narrowed the possibilities for me.

Great post.
 
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I'm looking to try RL23 in my 7SAUM. I should be able to get out and get some trigger time. Haven't shot it yet and I'm looking forward to testing out 175 Bergers with RL23. There isn't just a whole lot of RL23 info out there.
 
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I'm looking to try RL23 in my 7SAUM. I should be able to get out and get some trigger time. Haven't shot it yet and I'm looking forward to testing out 175 Bergers with RL23. There isn't just a whole lot of RL23 info out there.
I have found, in my experience, that although Alliant states that RL-23 is slower than RL-22, I have found it is NOT! My experience tells me that RL-23 is closer to RL-19 than RL-22! It is slightly slower than RL-19 but NOT as slow as H4831SC....
 

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