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257 roberts /257 roberts ackley???

I am pondering a new project, and the 257 roberts and or ackley has kind of caught my attention to investigate a little further.

looking at perhaps a coyote calling sort of a rifle

A few questions

1. I am thinking either of these might be better served in a long action rather than a short?

2. Are there feeding problems out of a magazine with the ackley version?

3. Might be best to form brass for either version from 7x57 brass for better quality brass overall? maybe?

thanks
 
I had a .257A.I. "more than a few years ago".. I had a 1-12 twist to shoot 85gr Ballistic Tips. I ONLY shot it as a single action, I did not worry about loading to magazine length. My load was 53.0grs of IMR 4831. It was blistering! I would shoot 5 shot groups at 200 yards that never had any paper between the bullet holes>>just a smidgen bigger than a nickle sized hole. They were screaming out of my 26" barrel at 3550! That should anchor a coyote out at 500 yards!
 
If you gotta have a 25 go with a 25x47L. I have a 250savage AI and while its probably the most improved AI there is i hate 25cal bullet selections therefore id recommend a 6x47L with a 10 or 12tw. Cheap bullets and outstanding brass with no fireforming. That 257 rob brass and all its variants is like finding hens teef
 
thanks for the feedback

good points on less than stellar brass and bullet selection


If all your doing is hunting with it. There is plenty of good bullets and the brass you can buy is plenty good enough for hunting. In my family we have 4 257 rob as deer rifles. If you have never owned one you need to try it. It hits harder than can imagine. Why I don't know. Performance wise its a middle of the road cartridge. But some of the deer I have hit with it, just couldn't believe the results. I have shot groundhogs with it and it just turned it into jelly inside. If I was to build a lite weight deer rifle, it would be a 250 AI, fits great in a short action and slightly better performace than a standard 257 rob. Build one and you will be very happy you did. 87 gr. hp for varmints and yotes and 100 speer for deer and you wont be disappointed.
 
I have a Ruger 77 ts in 257 AI. I shoot 100 gr Hornady's almost exclusively in this rifle and no deer as yet has lived thru it. It's a 1 in 10 twist and is not as accurate with heavier (longer) bullets, but would be more than adequate for northern Wisc. I haven't bought any brass for quite a while, but you can use 7x57 brass if needed. If I were to build a new 257AI, I would absolutely use a 1 in 9 twist barrel 24" long. Go for it, it's a great cartridge. Barlow
 
If you'll look at the sectional density (important when used for hunting) of the various 25 caliber bullets, you will quickly realize why the quarter bore works so well. To equal or exceed the SD of the quarter bore in other calibers, you have to step up in bullet weight.
 
I had built a 257 AI , great round easy to load & shoot, good accuracy but someone else wanted it more than I did at the time. I still own the reamer/dies & will have another 1 sometime. Under rated at best, it is a fun round, the Barnes TTSX makes it a game changer on larger critters. It will out kill any 1/4 bore on animals easily. Used both, no comparison, the only one close is the 240 Weatherby.
 




Three of the last four years. All with the same 257 Roberts to 540 yards. There are many more. For deer hunting, that's all you need to know. I never found a need to do it in AI and I am an AI fan in both 260 and 22-250. NO need for the "Bob". My favorite cartridge for decades. Own multiple but lately enjoy the little Remington Mountain rifle.
 
I had built a 257 AI , great round easy to load & shoot, good accuracy but someone else wanted it more than I did at the time. I still own the reamer/dies & will have another 1 sometime. Under rated at best, it is a fun round, the Barnes TTSX makes it a game changer on larger critters. It will out kill any 1/4 bore on animals easily. Used both, no comparison, the only one close is the 240 Weatherby.
Hardly.
 
I almost had one built last time but, I went ahead with a 25.06.You'll be shooting the same bullets. Granted the bullet selection isn't the greatest but, this was a coyote gun and not a bench gun. The 75-85-87-90 gr. bullets offer some great speed and knock down power. Good luck with your choice. Oh, my choice would be the AI.
 
Either way you go all i can say is have some brass in hand before you build one. You can use 7x57, 6mm rem or 257rob brass. Good luck whatever you do.
 
If I was to build a lite weight deer rifle, it would be a 250 AI, fits great in a short action and slightly better performace than a standard 257 rob. Build one and you will be very happy you did. 87 gr. hp for varmints and yotes and 100 speer for deer and you wont be disappointed.

Actually Sierra claims the 250 AI is essentially equal to 257 AI.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/art...while-wildcat-the-250-savage-ackley-improved/

For coyotes the 87-gr TNT is devastating, and 100-gr tipped bullets for deer and antelope.

OP if you are concerned with feeding from magazine, don't be, my 250 AI 40-deg feeds fine in my R-700. But you can always opt for a 30-deg or even 35-deg shoulder. Personally, I would stay with the standard 257 Roberts, or go with 250 Ackley if you simply must "improve". Since the 250 uses less powder than 257 for the same velocity, less recoil. And from a shorter action.

If you want to easily make Roberts from 7x57, inexpensive and readily-available Prvi Partizan brass enjoys a good reputation on shooting forums lately.
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According to Sierra, the 257 AI tops out about 100 fps faster than 250 AI in lighter bullets (< 100 gr), but the 257 requires ~6% more powder to reach the 250's top velocity, and an additional 3.5% on top of that to eke out the extra 100 fps. So burning nearly 10% more powder gains 257 AI a mere 100 fps extra velocity.

The 250 AI is the efficiency champion of the Ackley lineup (and is known for superb accuracy). But for a compact non-magnum medium game cartridge (where the extra velocity from heavier bullets counts) 257 AI deserves its reputation - it equals the 25-06 across the board, but it will be a tight fit in a short action.
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Either way you go all i can say is have some brass in hand before you build one. You can use 7x57, 6mm rem or 257rob brass. Good luck whatever you do.

I sure hope that all that read this post can listen to Dusty, it is sound advise. 257 Roberts, 6 Rem, and 7x57 brass is very hard to come by.

Also, rem made one run of the 257 Roberts in a long action, they are coveted. A long action on the 257 Roberts and the 6 Rem is a winning combo, and I have had a dozen or more 6 Rems, one 257 Roberts on a long action.

If you decide to go to a 6mm of sorts, the 95g partition is a game changer, I promise you that. While it does not have a High Tec B.C., the 95g partition has given me much more accuracy than the 100g partition. The 95g Partition is a bullet worth building a rifle around due to it's performance on small and Heavy bodied bucks. The 95g Partition has the ability to break heavy shoulder bones and keep traveling on quartering shots, breaking a rib bone upon exit. However, both 95g and 100g partitions give massive internal damage on 80-320 lb white tails that I have shot, along with great blood trails on those that traveled 30 yards, same with the 100g partition in the 25/06 caliber and 257 Weatherby. We hunted deer in Nebraska and Kansas where bucks run 200 lbs-320 lbs that we took. Shots were typically between 200-350 yards, and the 95g partition pole axed LARGE bucks, any angle you shot them from from a 6 Rem with a MV of 3150.

As Dusty has given a stern Uncle's type warning: brass on the 257 Roberts is very difficult to find...you dang sure better listen. If you want a "different" custom case and a 25 caliber, then consider the 250 AI off of Lapua 6x47L, this would be a no brainer, hands down home run.

It will leave a hollow place in your stomach if you have a custom barrel chambered in 257 Roberts, then have to settle in to the "SHOCK" of having little to NO good brass to work with. It would not be inconceivable that a guy have to beg/borrow/plead for used brass in a 257 Roberts. 6 MM Remington brass has not been made in 5-6 years at least.

Prvi Partizan brass is available in 7x57. However, when you neck down the 7x57, you are guaranteed a neck turning procedure in this process, so look before you leap....add $300 to the cost of your project if you are not set up to neck turn. All of these complexities shakes out to making a std 25/06, a very easy choice, and if you want a different case, then consider a 25/06 AI which feeds flawlessly out of a Rem 700. 100g partitions run 3500-3550+ in a long barreled 25/06 AI with R#22.

You see I have a preference for partitions, the reason is that I don't like running deer, and I do shoot for a center to high shoulder shot on broadsides. Large bucks chasing does take a lot of killing when they are pumped up, and a quartering shot facing and going away is not unusual at all. A Quartering shot taken on a buck that is walking or running away where the bullet has to enter the rear of the rib cage and break a shoulder as it exits is not that uncommon....better have a good killing bullet for that kind of shot. The vast majority of shots are taken under 350 yards, so analyze how you hunt, and pick a High BC bullet if your distances demand that kind of BC. Put a deer to leaking from two holes, with broke bones in between. Tipped triple shocks work well, but blood trails are "iffy". When hunting in jungle type situations, as in the South, a bullets ability to leave a Great Blood Trail is desirable. Caliber and impact velocity is critical for this issue with the triple shocks that I have shot, with light for caliber weight and impact velocity proving Key.

Sorry, I got to chasing rabbits on this, I had to learn the hard way, and I hope you can avoid some of the hard lessons that I had to learn.
 
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Sounds like you hunt in similar conditions to mine. Blood trail is a must, especially for the shots right before dark. We always keep a tracking dog.
Bill
 
You can usually find the 7x57 brass at HDS. Most often times they have Norma and RWS in stock.

Bullets.com has 257 Roberts +P in stock. They also have 7x57 in stock.

Your google machine can find many things:D
 
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