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243/6CM/6SLR

I have a few questions. I've been reading a lot about the 6CM and 6SLR and I hear a lot about 3K plus round counts down the barrels with great accuracy. If I understand correctly, these are both off the 243 Win parent case shooting the same bullets. Please humor me and if I'm totally wrong, let me know. If they are off the same parent case shooting the same bullet, why/how are they able to get that many more rounds down range without burning out the barrel at the same rate as the 243?
My theory is the powder type being used. If that is the case, why can the same powders not be used in the 243 with the same barrel longevity?

If I'm way off base please let me know. Thanks for looking...


John
 
Hello:

Joe Hendricks knows more about this topic than probably anyone on this site. Do a search on 6CM and you will see some of his posts. That being said I believe your logic is correct; the 243 win will get 3000 rounds out of a cut-rifled barrel-if you utilize H1000 or N165 powder. The 6CM is probably better ballistically if you want to use the 115 gr bullet. The powder issue (low heat of explosion powders such as H1000, versus H4350, Reloder series, etc.) is very important for barrel life/throat erosion.

The 243 Win is a great performing cartridge with readily available loading supplies.

Chuck
 
The shape of the case - in particular, the shoulder angle has a lot to do with barrel life. How efficient a case is, for example.
 
The .243 Win is a bear on the throats of barrels in part because of its case design (i.e. short neck and 20Ëš shoulder angle) which has a tendency to put the focus of the hot gasses right up in the barrel (i.e. people call it a "barrel burner" for that reason). Both the 6CM and the 6 Super LR have longer necks (6CM only slightly longer, and 6 Super LR a lot longer) and steeper shoulder angles than the .243 Win. (6CM 31Ëš and 6 Super LR 30Ëš) which changes the focus of the gasses and the efficiency of the cases. Running slower burning powders can help as well (H4831SC, H1000, etc. that provide more push further down the barrel than back at the chamber).

Robert
 
Thanks for the replies, all of you. It does make sense but it was just hard for me to wrap my head around without explanation. I just screwed a new 243 barrel on one of my rifles and was thinking of using slower burning powders, H4831 and H1000 in particular just to see if I can stretch the longevity out a bit.

Again, thanks!

John
 
After a discussion with Robert this week, I decided to go the SLR route and ordered a PT&G reamer and .243 cases. I ordered a die set from Robert. The hope is for more Mid Range performance than my 6BR and much less load sensitivity than my 6mm Remington. Either one would probably do it but I like the longer neck of the 6 SLR.
 
Been thinking about this some more. If shoulder angle has a part in barrel longevity, why doesnt the 243AI have better barrel life?

John
 
Realistically, how much shorter is the neck on a 243 or 243AI than a 6CM or 6SLR? I'll have to pull the drawings and look but don't see how that little bit makes that big a difference in barrel life. I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to wrap my head around it.

Thanks!

John
 
If I have my numbers right, the .243 neck lenght is .241
The .243AI neck lenght is .245.
The 6CM's neck lenght is .264.
The 6SLR's neck lenght is .321.
It is a combination of things. Neck lenght, degree of shoulder, powder burn rate, etc. I borescoped a .243 that had 300 - 350 rounds down it with a steady diet of RL25, stiff like Gardner used, it was UGLY. At the same time I scoped my 6CM with 1700 rounds useing H-1000 and it was in verygood shape, nice clean edges still in the throat area, minimal wear. Now at 3310 rounds it still shoots .25 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards. No your not being difficult, its just hard to believe without seeing it.
 
Dgd6mm, thanks for a great answer! I've been looking at this for some time and I never understood WHY... The numbers on the 6CM and 6SLR are impressive to say the least.
I appreciate your time and response.

Good Shooting!

John
 
I run Re22 in all my 243win with great accuracy. Should i consider changing powders to extend barrel life and approximately how much extended life will i see?
 
If I was shooting any sort of 243 or 6.5x284, the barrel would be melonited.

Shooting heavy bullets (107-115's) down a small bore with heavy charges of powder don't do anything good for the throat area of these barrels.

Have shot 6XCs, 243, 243 SLR's and none of them are easy on bbls. The XC and the SLR are better than the straight 243 but I would not expect 308 like bbl life out of them.

There are several melonited bbls in our shooting group. a 6 XC, a 6.5x284 and a 308, there rifles are all used for 600 and 1000 yd prone shooting. For these high intensity cartridges,a hardening process it is the only way to go. Throat erosion is way down with this process. Haven't gotten enough wear on these bbls to indicate just how much more the life is extended but it is looking good so far. Especially with the 6.5x284.

If you don't harden the bbls, then make sure you own the reamer for the cartridge and order extra material on the breech end for the set-backs. If you do the work yourself, then the money on the hardening process may be harder to justify. If you are paying a smith to set0back and rechamber, you may be bucks ahead with the hardening process.

Just my .02.

Bob
 
Is 2000 - 2500 rounds of accurate life when using 105 bullets around 3100 - 3200 fps unreasonable for the SLR? (non treated barrel)
 
That is about what I expect from a 6BR. I do not expect that from my upcoming 6 SLR. I was thinking more along the lines of 1500, maybe 2000 if I'm lucky.
 
sleepygator said:
That is about what I expect from a 6BR. I do not expect that from my upcoming 6 SLR. I was thinking more along the lines of 1500, maybe 2000 if I'm lucky.

hmm, maybe not so bad, particularly if its on the upper side of 1500. I would be keen to see how you get on as I am seriously considering one for next season.

Thanks
 
In my opinion shoulder angle and neck length have very little to do with barrel life. The shoulder angle may have a little more to do with barrel life, just because a steeper neck angle probably keeps more of the combustion in the case.

However, neck length has no affect on barrel life. There is enough freebore in every barrel, that the area just in front of the neck is meaningless. What is meaningful is the rifling. The rifling starts far enough down the barrel that the neck length of cartridge is meaningless, as far as barrel life is concerned.

Longer necks may improve accuracy, if in your loading process everything is perfect, therefore holding the bullet straighter.

That being said, it is the powder that makes the difference. As far as barrel life goes with these 6mm's, the 243 gets exactly the same barrel life as the 6CM, but only if you load it the same way. (I expect 3000 rounds from every 243 or 6CM barrel, and more often than not I am able to stretch the barrel to close to 4000 with no degradation in my X count at 600) The benefit of the 6CM is the 31 degree shoulder angle, which has proven to increase accuracy. I don’t know why it does, but the proof is on the target.

The key with these 6mm cartridges is to have enough case capacity to utilize the very slow burning, single based, powders (H1000, N165, Retumbo, N170). This is exactly why the 6XC and similar cartridges are always going to wear out a barrel faster than a 243, 6CM, 6SLR or even the 243AI. (243AI, loaded with the correct powder gets great barrel life). Understand the smaller case capacity calibers, trying to achieve similar velocities to the 6CM HAVE to use faster burning powders. That, simply, is what wears out the barrel faster.

These smaller 6mm’s (6XC class) are incredibly accurate and are a good choice for many shooters. When I developed the 6CM, I realized the 6XC wasn’t going to give me enough barrel life to last a season of shooting. (I shoot over 3000 rounds per year). I knew the barrel life I could get with the 243, but the 6XC was more accurate. So I made the front of the 243 look like the 6XC. AND IT WORKED. I know get the barrel life, because I can shoot the slower powders, and I get the accuracy.

Depending on your needs, any of these cartridges work great. The accuracy difference between the 243 and the 6CM is only realized by the very best shooters. The fact is that the guy behind the gun has more to do with where the bullet goes than the gun does. That goes for all disciplines.

My advice to everyone is to get out and practice, dry fire, pay attention to your loading processes, and equipment and to learn to shoot your rifle correctly. Testing loads is required and fun, but in the end it doesn’t make YOU a better shooter. Pick the cartridge that meets your needs. Purchase the best equipment you can afford. And go have fun.

Joe H
 

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