Hey Guys, I am currently evaluating my screwed up 1 in 8 twist 6 mm rem to see if it will be salvageable. but that's another issue...What I want to know is if anybody has experience with the 240 weatherby. I can pick up a vanguard s2 for around 500$$$ Do you know if the vanguard is free bored?? Any problems reloading it???
240 weatherby vs 6mm Rem
- Thread starter Grant Mauser
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Whats the problem with the 6 mm rem? Tight twist, needs heavy bullets. 105grs. Maybe 115 grs.
Check out other post I got on 6mm rem. tornado brush
Also ,,, any body got a tikka t3 hunter in 243 win or 6.5 swede??
Fast14riot
Gold $$ Contributor
Are you planning to rebarrel your current 6Rem or just set back the current Barrel? If setting back, ditch the stainless bore brushes that ruined your bore and redo the 6Rem. If rebarreling, why not go for a more current round, maybe 6 Creedmore or 6x47L.
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
I would skip anything to do with the Vanguard. You won't gain anything by buying a cheap rifle thinking it will be the solution to your desire for some accuracy.
Put that money into a good barrel such as a Bartlein, Krieger or one of several others known for quality. Choose an excellent Mauser gunsmith and have that barrel threaded, chambered and crowned for your rifle. Get a good set of rings and a base combined with a known quality scope.
No offense meant.
Now learn how to properly break in and clean a rifle barrel. There is a ton of good information written about breaking in and cleaning fine rifle barrels. We are fortunate to have a large and varied community of experts here who are more than willing to help when and where they're needed.There is nothing wrong with either cartridge for your Mauser. Good brass for the 6mm Rem. is not available usually so many of us resort to making it from other x57 cartridge cases. .240 Weatherby brass is available almost all the time from many suppliers. It's not cheap but will last a long time as long as you observe proper reloading parameters. I hunt Coues deer with a .240 Weatherby as one of my favorites.
Regards.
Gary in MD
Gold $$ Contributor
All else being equal, the 240 Wby should get 150 - 200 fps more than the 6mm or 243 win.
Some of those Vanguards have been known to give fine accuracy, I have one in 270 Win and it really shoots.
My 240 Wby is a Mark V and shoots great with 75 grain varmint bullets and heavier deer weight bullets, the 95 gr ballistic tips being one of the best.
Try to compare apples to apples.... I wouldn't think it fair to compare the accuracy of a stock Vanguard in any cartridge to a rebuilt remmy with a custom barrel.
Gary
Some of those Vanguards have been known to give fine accuracy, I have one in 270 Win and it really shoots.
My 240 Wby is a Mark V and shoots great with 75 grain varmint bullets and heavier deer weight bullets, the 95 gr ballistic tips being one of the best.
Try to compare apples to apples.... I wouldn't think it fair to compare the accuracy of a stock Vanguard in any cartridge to a rebuilt remmy with a custom barrel.
Gary
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
Fair has nothing to do with it. We're talking about a particular cartridge and our opinions about that cartridge. Simply buying a Vanguard with the hopes that it will shoot decently is a waste of money when you can re-barrel with a great barrel for that same $500.00 or a little more.
The .240 Weatherby and 6mm Remington are ideal for the Mauser, especially with a new barrel, put on by someone with the experience to do it properly. I shoot both plus a variation of the 6mm Rem. called the 6mm Crusader. It keeps the longer neck but improves the body taper and the shoulder angle.
Regards.
AckleymanII
Gold $$ Contributor
Years ago, I had a friend that had a 240 Weatherby reamer ground by JGS with zero freebore, non turn neck and ran in a #5 contour, Shilen Match SS barrel,26". I was with him at his first range outing, I re-loaded, he shot.
The rifle was shooting bug holes within 12 shots, 85g Sierra BTHP very, very fast, tiny groups. Then we tried the 80g Sierra Single shot pistol bullets, same thing, very fast, tiny group, 3800 fps. Next, 75g Sierra HP...almost 4000 fps at the accuracy node, buy now, those 12 cases were trying to give the primer pockets.
A few years later, I built a 6 Rem AI with zero freebore, no turn neck, duplicated the velocity and accuracy, and have had several since then.
80g Sierra single shot pistol bullets or the 80g Blitz BT shot at 3800 fps are not Rock Chucks shots you want to post on You Tube, they will ban you!
If I were to buy a new Vanguard in 240, I would make sure there is enough shank on the barrel to set it back when it is brand new with a zero freebore reamer, then rake havoc on varmints, deer, and hogs.
6AI
240 Weatherby
both with zero freebore
12T
26"
70g at 4000-12T-26"
" 4100-one 14T I had-26"
80g at 3800 with R#19
" " Superperformance
Ever seen chucks fly out of the scope so fast that if you blinked at the gun shot, they just disappeared?
How about watching a chuck fly straight up, then come down in two pieces with a gut string attached?
Half grown chucks look like they have been shot out of a cannon!
Also, how about two chucks side by side, put some English on one, knock the other off the rock with him knocked coo coo!
6 AI with Win 760 has pretty good barrel life, not so much with N550.
I don't know about the 240 Weatherby with all that freebore, but a custom chamber with zero freebore is a wicked mamma jamma that will give you some memories that will last a life time....make some memories.
The rifle was shooting bug holes within 12 shots, 85g Sierra BTHP very, very fast, tiny groups. Then we tried the 80g Sierra Single shot pistol bullets, same thing, very fast, tiny group, 3800 fps. Next, 75g Sierra HP...almost 4000 fps at the accuracy node, buy now, those 12 cases were trying to give the primer pockets.
A few years later, I built a 6 Rem AI with zero freebore, no turn neck, duplicated the velocity and accuracy, and have had several since then.
80g Sierra single shot pistol bullets or the 80g Blitz BT shot at 3800 fps are not Rock Chucks shots you want to post on You Tube, they will ban you!
If I were to buy a new Vanguard in 240, I would make sure there is enough shank on the barrel to set it back when it is brand new with a zero freebore reamer, then rake havoc on varmints, deer, and hogs.
6AI
240 Weatherby
both with zero freebore
12T
26"
70g at 4000-12T-26"
" 4100-one 14T I had-26"
80g at 3800 with R#19
" " Superperformance
Ever seen chucks fly out of the scope so fast that if you blinked at the gun shot, they just disappeared?
How about watching a chuck fly straight up, then come down in two pieces with a gut string attached?
Half grown chucks look like they have been shot out of a cannon!
Also, how about two chucks side by side, put some English on one, knock the other off the rock with him knocked coo coo!
6 AI with Win 760 has pretty good barrel life, not so much with N550.
I don't know about the 240 Weatherby with all that freebore, but a custom chamber with zero freebore is a wicked mamma jamma that will give you some memories that will last a life time....make some memories.
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Mark W
Gold $$ Contributor
IMO you are correct. I can easily touch the the lands with 100ish gr bullets and still fit into the magazine of my .240 Wby Vanguard.
I had a 6mm REM it shot 85 GR Sierra HPBT decent.
AckleymanII
Gold $$ Contributor
6 Rem, R#19, mag primer, 80g sierra blitz is in the range of 3600+ in the accuracy node in a 10 twist, but the AI version is 3800, both with 26" barrels.
240 AI with short freebore = 6 Rem AI with short freebore.
In Idaho yearq ago, we were shooting chucks in a cattle feed lot. I blew one chuck over the top of a three wire barbed wire fence and several in the fence.
The sierra 80g Blitz at 3600 & 3800 fps is worth building a rifle around, 240 Weatherby with zero freebore,6 Rem with zero freebore, and the 6 AI with zero freebore. We used 12T barrels of various makes. A chuck at 600 yds did not have a prayer.
240 AI with short freebore = 6 Rem AI with short freebore.
In Idaho yearq ago, we were shooting chucks in a cattle feed lot. I blew one chuck over the top of a three wire barbed wire fence and several in the fence.
The sierra 80g Blitz at 3600 & 3800 fps is worth building a rifle around, 240 Weatherby with zero freebore,6 Rem with zero freebore, and the 6 AI with zero freebore. We used 12T barrels of various makes. A chuck at 600 yds did not have a prayer.
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KMart
Gold $$ Contributor
The 85 gr Sierra HPBT is a great bullet. If you have a 6mm Anything and you can't get that bullet to shoot small groups, you have a rifle problem......in my humble opinion.
CaptainMal
Silver $$ Contributor
Lapua makes 7 x 57 brass to neck down to 6mm. 257 Roberts is the same case. Find that brass and neck down.
Those actions with lots of little lugs are losers. Sure they have a short bolt lift. So what? You cannot get all that crap hitting the same in the action and things flex. It's a rare one that shoots if you can get a good barrel on them.
If you want to shoot good, two lugs bearing equally is the ticket. Forget that Weatherby crap and build what you want on a good action that you probably already have.
Those actions with lots of little lugs are losers. Sure they have a short bolt lift. So what? You cannot get all that crap hitting the same in the action and things flex. It's a rare one that shoots if you can get a good barrel on them.
If you want to shoot good, two lugs bearing equally is the ticket. Forget that Weatherby crap and build what you want on a good action that you probably already have.
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