22rf benchrest build. What rcvr?
- Thread starter garandman
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Got specs or a pic of a "full blown" benchrest rifle ? That might help my decisioning.
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Hi-NV Shooter
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All I have is what I shoot which are both obsolete a 1965 1411 Anschutz and a Baity Falcon both are no longer made, but can be found used. as I mentioned I would buy a Turbo V3
Both rifles have the Nevius chamber for Lapua ammo both are bench mark barrels 3G 1411 is a HV reverse taper the Falcon a .900 and they use ultra lite tuners
Lee
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Hi-NV Shooter
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Before you go far down the road of a full-blown BR rifle, consider how you plan to shoot it.
A purpose-built BR stock will have a flat, smooth, three-inch wide forearm. No swivel stud. No rail.
You could shoot it on a one-piece rest as do the uber- serious guys. That’s a bunch more money and the exact opposite of the visceral experience you want.
Or you can shoot it off bags, which you say you don’t want to do.
Or you can shoot it with a bipod, which is how you say you want to do it. But you’ll have to drill at least one hole in that beautiful BR stock in order to attach a swivel stud or a rail, or mill out a slot in that beautiful stock for a Freeland or Anschutz rail. You’ll probably be the only person anywhere who is shooting a BR stock on a bipod. Seriously, if you want to shoot on a bipod, please don’t get a BR stock. Those stocks are designed to be shot on bags or one-piece rests. This is what we mean when we say you first have to decide the intended use before you decide what to buy.
If your goal is maximum accuracy, get a full-blown BR rifle and shoot it free-recoil on a one-piece rest or a good front rest and rear bag. If your goal is a visceral experience on a bipod, you should go a different route. You have to decide which is more important to you.
My advice: hire a good gunsmith with expertise in rimfires to chamber and install that Muller barrel on your Vudoo. Get your stock bedded if it’s not already. You’d incur all that expense with the new build anyway.
Then, with the money you’ve saved by not buying a new stock and action, send the rifle to Dan Killough and have him match a lot of Tenex to it, or send it to Lapua’s test center to get some Midas+ matched to it. The money you saved will, in my opinion, be better spent on that.
Dave Rabin
dolek
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Hate to deflate your ego...but what you describe has been bettered many times with one of these...by me . W/ CCI SVs .I would say you need more trigger time before you know if you are capable of shooting up to a full blown BR guns potential.
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Lee, they're arn't any "X's" on the ABRA target, even though they claim to automatically shoot X's
I appreciate everyone's help and patience, that's making useful comments. The question "What do you want the rifle to do?" is getting clearer now.
Here's what I want:
So... what receiver? I'm leaning toward the $900 Turbo V1. Right now anyway.... nothing is decided yet.
Here's what I want:
- I want to improve my skills at shooting a rifle very well... but not with $1,000 + rests with micrometer adjustments for w/e. (Others can, that's cool, I don't want to.)
- I don't want a full BR stock designed for one of those $1K rests. I'm OK with how that decreases accuracy.
- I want to learn how to compensate for wind thru *my* holds, in a more free-form manner.... more PRS / F-class - ish than full BR
- I want a rifle that has had its functional variances removed as much as possible, and achieve accuracy that way more than achieving accuracy thru the rest
- I want the look of a PRS / chassis rifle
- I want to compete against myself each match, and track my improvement, and occasionally compare myself to others
- I want to learn to use a tuner
- I want the mental discipline that comes from NOT using a micrometer adjust rest, but does come from bipod / shooter holds. (That's a *personal* prefererence and quirk of what works for me, not a characterization of anyone else.)
- I want single shot functionality. I already have the Vudoo mag fed rifle.
So... what receiver? I'm leaning toward the $900 Turbo V1. Right now anyway.... nothing is decided yet.
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dolek
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Tim s
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Now, since you have indicated a desire for education, rather than argue/critique your results/posts here is something for you to look at.
Since you are, I see, new to RA site, do this.
Go over there and pick up the thread on ammo testing. You will see lots of data by Ivanhoe, AKA Ivan Wells.
You might not know him but he tests thousands upon thousands of rounds, builds top flight guns, shoots big matches and knows what he talks about.
Now Ivan has a lot of data with groups, shot with world class BR rifles, often more than one per test......IN A TUNNEL.
Many of those group averages, with top flight ammo selection average slightly bigger than your reports with a CZ.
Do you see a picture forming here ?
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Hate to deflate your ego...but what you describe has been bettered many times with one of these...by me . W/ CCI SVs .I would say you need more trigger time before you know if you are capable of shooting up to a full blown BR guns potential.
Dale boy,
At 50 yds with CCI sv? 5 shots in 0.25” ?
Not trying to be offensive in any way, but i would love to see you at the Triple Crown with that rig..Hate to deflate your ego...but what you describe has been bettered many times with one of these...by me . W/ CCI SVs .I would say you need more trigger time before you know if you are capable of shooting up to a full blown BR guns potential.
Permit me to give a fuller picture. It may explain the apparent discrepancy.
First, when I reference a “repeatable 0.25” …I’m not talking about every 5-shot group. I’m speaking of frequent enuf groups to be NOT a fluke. That if I do my part, the gun will do its.
Second, I’m speaking of the Vudoo V-22, not my CZ re-barrelled with a Lilja 16” match. (It is more 0.30 - 0.32" @ 50 yd)
Also, I’m familiar with Ivan Wells and I’m quite sure he’s a better shooter than me, with better skills and equipment. I in no way wish to put myself even in his universe.
That said, I am shooting the groups I shoot, so let’s look at some of them:
This first pic is a “fouling test” – how quickly the bore fouls from a cold, clean bore. On numerous occasions, I’ve seen the rifle groups well within 10 shots from a cold clean bore. Here you see shots 6 – 10 form a 0.24” group. This is a fairly common group size. (This is with an Athlon floating dot Ares scope. I’ve found I group better with my Sightron 1/8 minute dot… as low as average 0.22” c-t-c. )
So….let me explain how I measure groups size: I measure outside – to - outside of the largest dimension of the group with a calipers, then subtract 0.22” to get center-to-center measurement. THIS ALONE may explain any surprising results….but its how I’ve seen groups measured by literally hundreds of shooters. Anyway, I measure this way for accuracy, not to compare myself to other shooters. I want to see how my groups are measuring up against my OTHER groups…. Not anyone else’s.
Here’s another target ….6 groups of 5 shots each, also from a cold clean bore.
I discounted Target 5 (low right) as wind was coming up strong at this point and I was shooting w/o wind flags. Even with Group 5 , given how many other 5 shot groups I’ve fired with this rifle / ammo combo, I feel very comfortable calling this a “repeatable 0.25” c-t-c shooting gun. Not every time, but certainly capable of repeating 0.25” c-t-c, when I’m on my game.
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From "Ivanhoe's" testing:
My 5-5 shot groups are more in the 0.26 - 0.30" c-t-c range (meaning individual 5- shot groups from 0.18 - 0.34, averaging out to 0.26 - 0.30")
So....yeah.... not in his groups league. My mental game just isn't there, yet. Tho in my defense, I'm *not* testing in a tunnel.
http://www.rimfireaccuracy.com/Forums/showthread.php/11626-New-shipment-of-Eley-ammo!!/page4
My 5-5 shot groups are more in the 0.26 - 0.30" c-t-c range (meaning individual 5- shot groups from 0.18 - 0.34, averaging out to 0.26 - 0.30")
So....yeah.... not in his groups league. My mental game just isn't there, yet. Tho in my defense, I'm *not* testing in a tunnel.
http://www.rimfireaccuracy.com/Forums/showthread.php/11626-New-shipment-of-Eley-ammo!!/page4
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@MrG52D ... I have been competing a little more than 2 years with 10 to 15 rim fire matches thus far.
I am familiar with the scoring system and I also shoot groups just to test ammo lot consistency. I practice on the same 25 bull's eye target for International bench rest that we use to compete.
My typical match score is from 246 to 248 out of a possible 250 with 13 to 21 x's out of a possible 25. Of the 10 shooters that regularly compete I am Almost always in the upper half and have numerous 1st seconds and thirds
Thanks for the helpful information.
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