22rf barrels and length?

[BP1]

I have seen them run anywhere from 16”-28”.It seems like most of the br folks run them between 22”-27”.I know most are button cut and smith’s usually slug them to find the tight spot in the barrel to get the best potential out of it.With that said does the same thing have to be done with a rifle cut barrel like Kreiger that is lapped at the factory or can you just choose a length and go with it?Thanks

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I have seen them run anywhere from 16”-28”.It seems like most of the br folks run them between 22”-27”.I know most are button cut and smith’s usually slug them to find the tight spot in the barrel to get the best potential out of it.With that said does the same thing have to be done with a rifle cut barrel like Kreiger that is lapped at the factory or can you just choose a length and go with it?Thanks

Best to have the smith slug or pin it for the crown why spend all that money then not get the full potential of the barrel

Lee

 

[JSH]

I had the same question some time back. Forget where but there was some testing done on lengths. Velocity actually dropped in longer barrels on some. Seemed dependent on ammo. Suspicions were peak burn on the curve was falling well before bullet exit.
A search may turn it up fairly easy.

 

[Tim s]

I had the same question some time back. Forget where but there was some testing done on lengths. Velocity actually dropped in longer barrels on some. Seemed dependent on ammo. Suspicions were peak burn on the curve was falling well before bullet exit.
A search may turn it up fairly easy.

absolutely correct for burn rate/velocity. Now the question really becomes, do you think that in some way correlates to max accuracy ?
Few if any precision smiths are sending out any barrels shorter than 24” other than IR sporters where weight governs everything.
Along the same lines, why virtually zero barrels short/fat, 16”18”, the best ones
.875”-.910” & 24”-27” ?

I have seen them run anywhere from 16”-28”.It seems like most of the br folks run them between 22”-27”.I know most are button cut and smith’s usually slug them to find the tight spot in the barrel to get the best potential out of it.With that said does the same thing have to be done with a rifle cut barrel like Kreiger that is lapped at the factory or can you just choose a length and go with it?Thanks

I have seen them run anywhere from 16”-28”.It seems like most of the br folks run them between 22”-27”.I know most are button cut and smith’s usually slug them to find the tight spot in the barrel to get the best potential out of it.With that said does the same thing have to be done with a rifle cut barrel like Kreiger that is lapped at the factory or can you just choose a length and go with it?Thanks

Well among some of the reasons, I am aware of, even for lapped barrels, just because it is taper lapped does not mean the taper is nice and progressive. Some BR smiths hate a bore where you get a flat spot in the taper for a few inches. I suspect this, you have seen, no ?
Also, tuning a shorter fatter barrel.....Is miserable, a 24” one about .900” one hell of a lot easier.

 

[JSH]

absolutely correct for burn rate/velocity. Now the question really becomes, do you think that in some way correlates to max accuracy ?
Few if any precision smiths are sending out any barrels shorter than 24” other than IR sporters where weight governs everything.
Along the same lines, why virtually zero barrels short/fat, 16”18”, the best ones
.875”-.910” & 24”-27” ?

Opinions are like elbows, everyone has a couple.
As most well know how finicky these can be. May shoot premo ammo worse than some cheaper stuff.
I think it is a velocity thing. I don’t think getting the slower velocity by running a longer barrel is the way to go.
The longer barrels are easier to tune from what I hear, makes sense. Long barrels I have seen were for sight radius. Some have went to bloop tubes. These may also cause issues on some.

Some me times I wonder why I play with rimfires?;-)

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Yes it is an opinion, but an opinion based on experience with corresponding results and not just a thought of what might be.

Lee

 

[Tim s]

Ah, Lee, we have yet another keyboard shooter I see.
Opinions????
Mr. JSH Have you ever been within, say, 50’ of a benchrest rifle, you know the ones with the long barrels, zero sights, and that get fed nothing but premium ammo.....the ones that win anything?
I mean, ignore my opinion, go to a couple comp sites or FB pages and look at all the pretty pictures in galleries of serious guns. I’ll give you a crisp fiver for every one you find with a short barrel, you can give me $1 for every one over 20”. Can’t beat 5 to one odds there champion.

 

[garandman]

No experience with Krieger

But my 20" Vudoo runs with 24 - 26" Anschutzes. Numerous match wins and almost always wins the x-count. Usually its my error / bad wind read that drops form a perfect 250 down to 248-249. Problem is, a 250 with 1-x beats a 249 with 18x. And no.... that's not a hypothetical. Happens to me regularly.

And my 'smith (John Langley) just cut my Mullerworks 8 groove to 26"

 

[USMCDOC]

No experience with Krieger

But my 20" Vudoo runs with 24 - 26" Anschutzes. Numerous match wins and almost always wins the x-count. Usually its my error / bad wind read that drops form a perfect 250 down to 248-249. Ptoblem is, a 250 with 1-x beats a 249 with 18x. And no.... that's not a hypothetical. Happens to me regularly.

And my 'smith (John Langley) just cut my Mullerworks 8 groove to 26"

you going to come to the Triple Crown?

 

[garandman]

you going to come to the Triple Crown?

Where'zat?

 

[USMCDOC]

Where'zat?

Bristol Va..

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Where'zat?

it is like the Indy 500, Daytona 500 and 24-hrs of Lemans all wrapped into one big race. except it is RFBR

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

No experience with Krieger

But my 20" Vudoo runs with 24 - 26" Anschutzes. Numerous match wins and almost always wins the x-count. Usually its my error / bad wind read that drops form a perfect 250 down to 248-249. Problem is, a 250 with 1-x beats a 249 with 18x. And no.... that's not a hypothetical. Happens to me regularly.

And my 'smith (John Langley) just cut my Mullerworks 8 groove to 26"

Garandman, If I recall you are having a V1 Turbo being built for pure BR, if so when you find the ammo for it you will see what we have been talking about.
and probably learn that the misses you believe were your fault wasn't the case. welcome to the dark-side!

Lee

 

[Sieg]

Where'zat?

In the words of Darrel Waltrip…… Bristol Baby!

 

[garandman]

Garandman, If I recall you are having a V1 Turbo being built for pure BR, if so when you find the ammo for it you will see what we have been talking about.
and probably learn that the misses you believe were your fault wasn't the case. welcome to the dark-side!

Lee

yeah.... got a Sightron SII 36 x 42 coming....looking for a good 1-piece rest (used preferrably) Then ammo testing starts.

I wasn't even sure I wanted a pure BR gun, but, figgered .... what the heck. Down the rabbit hole !

Was testing it with John Langley in some of the wickedest wind I ever shot in - easily 15 - 20 mph. And it was shooting pretty darn good.

 

[gkgeiger]

yeah.... got a Sightron SII 36 x 42 coming....looking for a good 1-piece rest (used preferrably) Then ammo testing starts.

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Just saw this one. https://benchrest.com/class/index.php?a=2&b=13059

 

[USMCDOC]

Just saw this one. https://benchrest.com/class/index.php?a=2&b=13059

yeah.. he's a lil high in his price maybe..

 

[Tim s]

yeah.... got a Sightron SII 36 x 42 coming....looking for a good 1-piece rest (used preferrably) Then ammo testing starts.

I wasn't even sure I wanted a pure BR gun, but, figgered .... what the heck. Down the rabbit hole !

Was testing it with John Langley in some of the wickedest wind I ever shot in - easily 15 - 20 mph. And it was shooting pretty darn good.

the next thing you really need to consider is get a pack of IR targets from Jason through the site and start to practice on a bonafide BR target, it will sharpen your skillset and begin to show the rifle’s true potential because that IBS target is not helping.

 

[garandman]

the next thing you really need to consider is get a pack of IR targets from Jason through the site and start to practice on a bonafide BR target, it will sharpen your skillset and begin to show the rifle’s true potential because that IBS target is not helping.

I got ARAs to use. And group size / group placement makes the target used fairly irrelevant.

Small, well placed groups dont care what target is used.

Its not like Im using IBS scoring and thinking that'll work for ARA.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I got ARAs to use. And group size / group placement makes the target used fairly irrelevant.

Small, well placed groups dont care what target is used.

Its not like Im using IBS scoring and thinking that'll work for ARA.

garandman, if the IBS is the target that will be used in most matches you will shoot. to help with transitioning to ARA or ir50, try to place your shots inside the 10-ring clean (no touching the ring) and go for X counts.
remember, if you take out the dot on the IBS that will most likely be a 100 on the ARA and minimum a 10 on the ir50.
my first season was shooting the RBA which is similar to the ir50, then they switched to the IBS for 1-1/2 seasons, I knew it wouldn't help my shooting. so I tried every shot to go for the x, knowing if I got an x that it would score on a ARA a 100. back in May we switched back to the RBA for the unlimited class, I finished the season earlier this month with my personal best of 748-54X on a very cold Sunday 38-degrees.
sometimes you just got to use what you are given, and be creative.

Lee