22BR Cases Won’t Come Out

[xswanted]

Thank s again for all that replied.

Could it be possible a trigger would cause this??

The problem “seemed” to intensify after a new trigger was out in. However it was about the same time I got new brass. The first 50 I formed were great until they had 8-10 firings on them.

Now I seem to have the same problem after only 2 firings.

Thank you again.

 

[tmwinds]

How is this corrected?

www.accu-tig.com If your action is a Remington and the FL sizing die doesn't cure the problem. Dan Armstrong is the authority on correcting extraction timing by removing the bolt handle and tig welding in the proper location. Not expensive and a very fast turn around. Contact him and he will email you the instructions for checking the primary extraction with a feeler gauge. He corrected two for me.

 

[xswanted]

www.accu-tig.com If your action is a Remington and the FL sizing die doesn't cure the problem. Dan Armstrong is the authority on correcting extraction timing by removing the bolt handle and tig welding in the proper location. Not expensive and a very fast turn around. Contact him and he will email you the instructions for checking the primary extraction with a feeler gauge. He corrected two for me.

Thank you!

 

[tuttlefarm]

Alex Wheeler and Jim Borden are 2............ many top gunsmiths can do it.... Alex is in Montana so he would be close and he is on this site quite abit.

 

[DaveTooley]

Interference fit?

Can you elaborate on that?

Thank you!

By interference fit I mean the unfired brass may be touching the sidewalls of the chamber or very close to it. When fired the brass expands then the chamber expands. The steel comes back to its original size because it did not expand past its yield point. If the brass exceed its yield point or was not given proper clearance to allow it to expand then contract back smaller than the chamber, extraction issues arise. That's why everyone is recommending FL sizing to maintain the proper fit. Neck sizing works for a few firings then brass work hardens at larger, tighter fitting, diameter negating any spring back. At that point FL sizing will allow you to get it back in the rifle but won't help getting it out because it has formed a memory.

Tell us about your rifle and details of the reamer. With this happening on the second firing I think the issue may be the reamer.

Something else I'd do just to eliminate any sizing die issues. Start with a piece of new brass. When you size it for the next firing back your sizing die out until you size just enough of the neck to hold a bullet, shoot it, repeat then see if anything changes.

Measure new brass and fired brass .300" up from the head and report back. 3X brass will give a better measurement. This will provide a pretty good indication of clearance in the chamber.

 

[mr45man]

Sounds like little or no primary extraction to pop the brass loose and back.

My thoughts ^^^^^^^

 

[fguffey]

I have rifles with bolts that cam back when the handle is raised, I also have rifles that have no resistance to raising the bolt after firing. And then there are many reloaders that have bolt pop, snap or click when the handle is raised.

F. Guffey

 

[hogpatrol]

 

[xswanted]

By interference fit I mean the unfired brass may be touching the sidewalls of the chamber or very close to it. When fired the brass expands then the chamber expands. The steel comes back to its original size because it did not expand past its yield point. If the brass exceed its yield point or was not given proper clearance to allow it to expand then contract back smaller than the chamber, extraction issues arise. That's why everyone is recommending FL sizing to maintain the proper fit. Neck sizing works for a few firings then brass work hardens at larger, tighter fitting, diameter negating any spring back. At that point FL sizing will allow you to get it back in the rifle but won't help getting it out because it has formed a memory.

Tell us about your rifle and details of the reamer. With this happening on the second firing I think the issue may be the reamer.

Something else I'd do just to eliminate any sizing die issues. Start with a piece of new brass. When you size it for the next firing back your sizing die out until you size just enough of the neck to hold a bullet, shoot it, repeat then see if anything changes.

Measure new brass and fired brass .300" up from the head and report back. 3X brass will give a better measurement. This will provide a pretty good indication of clearance in the chamber.

Very informative, thank you much.

Once my FL die arrives I will do this.

I’ll also have to dig out the remer and measure that up as well.

Thank you again!

 

[DaveTooley]

I have rifles with bolts that cam back when the handle is raised, I also have rifles that have no resistance to raising the bolt after firing. And then there are many reloaders that have bolt pop, snap or click when the handle is raised.

F. Guffey

Yep

 

[expiper]

xs...you haven said ,,,but are you using new 2nd generation Lapua Norma BR brass in an old Remington BR chamber,,,if so no dies will make em small enuff to work,,,they are ~.004" bigger right outa the box ,,,they usually will go in the chamber till fired once or twice,,,,then it is sticky bolt after that,,,the solution is get some ole Remington brass or ream the chamber out to fit the modern stuff,,,,and for goodness sake full length size every time,,,Roger

 

[hoz53]

I have rifles with bolts that cam back when the handle is raised, I also have rifles that have no resistance to raising the bolt after firing. And then there are many reloaders that have bolt pop, snap or click when the handle is raised.

F. Guffey

snap, crackle,pop --sounds like breakfast( rice krispies)

 

[hogpatrol]

snap, crackle,pop --sounds like breakfast( rice krispies)

Yeah, and he forgot "Clunk".

 

[DJSBRS]

I have rifles with bolts that cam back when the handle is raised, I also have rifles that have no resistance to raising the bolt after firing. And then there are many reloaders that have bolt pop, snap or click when the handle is raised.

F. Guffey

"shazam," "surprise, surprise, surprise" and "golly"

Sounds like something Gomer Pyle should respond to.

 

[xswanted]

xs...you haven said ,,,but are you using new 2nd generation Lapua Norma BR brass in an old Remington BR chamber,,,if so no dies will make em small enuff to work,,,they are ~.004" bigger right outa the box ,,,they usually will go in the chamber till fired once or twice,,,,then it is sticky bolt after that,,,the solution is get some ole Remington brass or ream the chamber out to fit the modern stuff,,,,and for goodness sake full length size every time,,,Roger

Thank you!

The reamer was ordered based on a Lapua case.

 

[dkhunt14]

Thank you!

The reamer was ordered based on a Lapua case.

They make different sized reamers on the .200 line. Just because it was made for Lapua brass doent mean it is not too tight. Matt

 

[wholman]

If fullength sizing does not fix your problem then
you may need a small base die.

 

[fguffey]

xs...you haven said ,,,but are you using new 2nd generation Lapua Norma BR brass in an old Remington BR chamber,,,if so no dies will make em small enuff to work,,,they are ~.004" bigger right outa the box ,,,they usually will go in the chamber till fired once or twice,,,,then it is sticky bolt after that,,,the solution is get some ole Remington brass or ream the chamber out to fit the modern stuff,,,,and for goodness sake full length size every time,,,Roger

I have said manufacturers of components do not make cases for reloaders that know what they are doing. My favorite case is a case that will not chamber because it is too long from the shoulder/datum to the case head. I am one of the few that measure before and again after firing. To get long case from the shoulder to the case head I had to purchases them from a firing range; meaning I purchased cases that were fired in a chamber that did not belong to me. And then? There are cases that have been fired in machine guns, I like those trashy cases.

I do not know what 'bigger right out of the box' means, I have formed cases with necks that are .002" thicker to thicken up the neck to reduce clearance. I have one rifle that has a chamber that is .016" longer from the shoulder to the bolt face than a minimum length/full length sized case (that would be .011" longer than a go gage length chamber).

Some would consider cases fired in the long chamber as being 'trashy', not me, when I want to off set the length of the chamber I use trash old long cases, again, when it comes to manufacturers, they do not make long cases for long chambers but if they did I would know what to do with the case.

F. Guffey

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I have said manufacturers of components do not make cases for reloaders that know what they are doing. My favorite case is a case that will not chamber because it is too long from the shoulder/datum to the case head. I am one of the few that measure before and again after firing. To get long case from the shoulder to the case head I had to purchases them from a firing range; meaning I purchased cases that were fired in a chamber that did not belong to me. And then? There are cases that have been fired in machine guns, I like those trashy cases.

I do not know what 'bigger right out of the box' means, I have formed cases with necks that are .002" thicker to thicken up the neck to reduce clearance. I have one rifle that has a chamber that is .016" longer from the shoulder to the bolt face than a minimum length/full length sized case (that would be .011" longer than a go gage length chamber).

Some would consider cases fired in the long chamber as being 'trashy', not me, when I want to off set the length of the chamber I use trash old long cases, again, when it comes to manufacturers, they do not make long cases for long chambers but if they did I would know what to do with the case.

F. Guffey

So when you get those long trashy cases you just bump the shoulder back to use them right? I like my women trashy too.

 

[expiper]

wow,,,I made the big time,,,,it sounds like Dusty has good taste is women,,,wink,,,Roger