Other than removing the primer crimp it would be as much or as little prep work you put in your cases now.
.223 LC brass
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Other than removing the primer crimp it would be as much or as little prep work you put in your cases now.
I am waiting to hear that someone's second cousin heard a guy in a bar say that his sister declared the "new" lc unprimed brass is all thirds and floor sweepings. (And that has to be true, cause she dates somebody that knows a worker in the plant.
) Also, since Winchester is taking over operations in the fall that all of the brass will be junk.
) Also, since Winchester is taking over operations in the fall that all of the brass will be junk.I am waiting to hear that someone's second cousin heard a guy in a bar say that his sister declared the "new" lc unprimed brass is all thirds and floor sweepings. (And that has to be true, cause she dates somebody that knows a worker in the plant.
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I could not imagine buying brass and not expecting accuracy.
I had seen someone on this forum recently posted weight and volume results of LC, and a few other brands of 223 brass.
My surprise on consistency was the new Starline brass. 0.1gr SD.
That being said, i've been using range pickup LC brass for my wife's Savage 110FP, 24", 1:9 with 69gr TMKs.
My surprise on consistency was the new Starline brass. 0.1gr SD.
That being said, i've been using range pickup LC brass for my wife's Savage 110FP, 24", 1:9 with 69gr TMKs.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
I use Lapua brass pretty much exclusively in my .223 Rem F-TR rifles. For comparative purposes, I have carried out load development with both new (unfired) LC and Starline brass. Neither one of them is "bad" by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I would actually call them quite good considering the relatively low cost. However, I wouldn't classify them as being at the same level of consistency as Lapua.
In my hands, both LC and Starline require significantly more attention to the flashholes. Further, they both show irregularities in case wall thickness/concentricity that you typically don't find in Lapua brass. Most people don't check case wall thickness/uniformity because it's a huge PITA (in my opinion) and requires a special tool such as Neco's Concentricity-Wall Thickness gauge. Nonetheless, it's an important distinction among various brands of .223 Rem brass as cases with non-uniform wall thickness will banana upon firing/resizing. This has an adverse effect on precision and it's almost impossible to correct it, other than culling the cases with non-uniform case wall thickness out for use in some less critical application.
The most obvious positive advantage that LC and Starline brass seem to have over Lapua is that the casehead/webbing region is thicker. The brass alloy they use may also be a bit harder/tougher, although I have no direct evidence to support that notion. Whatever the reason, their primer pockets seem to stand up to stout F-TR competition loads with 90 gr bullets much better than Lapua brass. So in terms of pressure and brass life, LC and Starline get the nod.
If you're thinking of trying LC or Starline brass as an alternative to more expensive brands, it's hard to justify not at least giving one or the other a try, given the almost ridiculously low price relative to Lapua. Ultimately, precision on the target should always be the ultimate arbiter of whether something works or not, and buying a small quantity of LC or Starline brass for testing is relatively painless proposition. In a worst case scenario, even if you decide to stick with Lapua for loading precision bolt gun rounds as I have, you can either use it for plinking rounds in a .223 where ultimate precision isn't essential, or sell it to someone else, as many, many shooters own a .223 Rem in one form or another.
In my hands, both LC and Starline require significantly more attention to the flashholes. Further, they both show irregularities in case wall thickness/concentricity that you typically don't find in Lapua brass. Most people don't check case wall thickness/uniformity because it's a huge PITA (in my opinion) and requires a special tool such as Neco's Concentricity-Wall Thickness gauge. Nonetheless, it's an important distinction among various brands of .223 Rem brass as cases with non-uniform wall thickness will banana upon firing/resizing. This has an adverse effect on precision and it's almost impossible to correct it, other than culling the cases with non-uniform case wall thickness out for use in some less critical application.
The most obvious positive advantage that LC and Starline brass seem to have over Lapua is that the casehead/webbing region is thicker. The brass alloy they use may also be a bit harder/tougher, although I have no direct evidence to support that notion. Whatever the reason, their primer pockets seem to stand up to stout F-TR competition loads with 90 gr bullets much better than Lapua brass. So in terms of pressure and brass life, LC and Starline get the nod.
If you're thinking of trying LC or Starline brass as an alternative to more expensive brands, it's hard to justify not at least giving one or the other a try, given the almost ridiculously low price relative to Lapua. Ultimately, precision on the target should always be the ultimate arbiter of whether something works or not, and buying a small quantity of LC or Starline brass for testing is relatively painless proposition. In a worst case scenario, even if you decide to stick with Lapua for loading precision bolt gun rounds as I have, you can either use it for plinking rounds in a .223 where ultimate precision isn't essential, or sell it to someone else, as many, many shooters own a .223 Rem in one form or another.
searcher
Gold $$ Contributor
ARMORALLY.com has prepped lake City for $179.00 for 1,000 pieces. They will anneal for an extra $50.00. Five hundred quantity available as well. I haven't bought their prepped brass - but I did recently buy 5,000 pieces or so of LC once-fired non-processed from them. Seems the Lake City fired brass is drying up again as a lot of the usual bulk sources are out - most likely due to the upcoming election. I have worn out about 20,000+ LC cases over the years and while I use Lapua in my bolt rifles, one can easily get 1/4" MOA or better groups with LC brass that has been prepped - even in my A/R's if the load is capable. That is all I run in my A/R's and I require each varmint rig to shoot 1/4" MOA. They all do after careful load development. My method of prepping is to clean, short-base die resize, anneal, turn necks for uniformity, trim and chamfer, level primer pockets. Frankly - I do all these same steps with Lapua or any other brass, short of the need to short-base resize that first time. I have used much of the unfired brass from Midsouth and if it is defective - it is an undetectable defect. I find that I typically use about 3/10th of a grain less powder than commercial brass - on average - to attain similar velocity. Lots of guys claim the LC is just for "blasting". I doubt they properly prepared the brass, never took the time to tweak their favorite load to the brass, probably pushed the necks back excessively and (the horror!) crimped.
LC brass is made like any other brass. Currently LC brass is made on SCAMP machines like as seen in this video.
The brass coming out of the machine has the date stamped in the case head. Brass held over the year end is still loaded and the loaded lot number has date code embedded.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL...on_C)_[Published_11_March_2014;_2014-present]
Thanks for posting that ,good to see the facts . Make a person wonder how all the myths get started ?
As an example, this can in this image was loaded at Lake City in 2011 in November and is sequence number 073 from Interfix number 391. As I understand it the interfix number allows production to span different changes using the same larger component lots. Example: LC-11G456-006 and LC-12A456-010 would be two “lots” made 6 months apart using the same basic components.
hope this helps.
hope this helps.
from a gentleman that use to work there, they run the line without a "buntner" which means no head stamp on the lot of brass, when needed it is head stamped with the current year, not the year made. this happens, not daily, but it does happen,
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