• This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. By continuing to use this Forum you are confirming that you are 18 or older. No content shall be viewed by any person under 18 in California.

223 90g and benchmark

hi

i was wondering if anyone is using benchmark and the 90 grain bullets in a 223 case? the rifle i have is built for f class.tryed vv550,rl 15,varget.but i heard that benchmark gives less pressure for the same fps.any info would help thank you.
 
The additional velocity attained using an 80 gr bullet more than makes up for the better BC exhibited by the 90 gr bullets. Having been there, done that, I would say don't waste your time and money. I even prefer the 80's on my .223AI.
 
fivering

i do agree with you on shooting the 80s in close say out to 600,but it is hard to over look the bc of the 90 vld for shooting at 8,9,1000,those extra bc will make a difference at long.

i have tryed vv550 does not seem to like it in my barrel also tryed rl 15 that has showed some promise but find it very dirty,played with varget too their might be something their but like mentioned before benchmark list less pressure then the others but i dont here of anyone using it???
 
bulldog284,

I've always thought Benchmark a bit fast burning for 90s. QuickLOAD seems to conform that. Adjusting various parameters to get the program to produce my 90gn Berger VLD's MV of around 2,850 fps with 24.6gn Varget, you hit maximum safe pressures on switching to Benchmark at 23.0gn and 2,782 fps.

I ran the Berger 90gn VLD at 2,907 fps last year with 25.2gn Re15, but it was a little too hot and I worried about temperature effects on pressure. If Alliant AR-Comp comes to the UK, I'll try that in the hope it performs like Re15 but without any temperature sensitivities.

To get the best out of the 90s, the barrel must be chambered just for them. My COAL with the Berger VLD is 2.715", a little less with the 90gn BT. The VLD's 0.281 G7 BC is almost identical to that of the Berger 185gn 0.308" BT Long-Range that I use in my .308W F/TR rifle at an inferior 2,785 fps, and pointing it will raise the BC to above 0.290. At 2,850 - 2,900 fps, this bullet outperforms all but the hottest 210gn .308 Win loads at 1,000yd in the wind.

I'm sorry fivering, but you simply cannot load the 80s up to match this performance. They give acceptable wind performance up to 600yd, although even that doesn't apply with the conditions regularly encountered on some of the ranges I shoot on, and the current (and continually rising) levels of competition from .308s on the new (even smaller) GB NRA F-Class short-range target, that has a 0.5-MOA V, 1-MOA Bull, then each subsequent ring only moves out by 0.25-MOA, or 0.5-MOA in total diameter. That makes the outer 1-point ring only 3-MOA or 18 inches total target diameter at 600yd and going outside that scores nothing. With only 1.5-MOA each side of the centre spot and wind conditions that switch by far more than that between shots, ones and even no score hits are not uncommon at 600yd.

The 90gn Berger BT cannot be loaded up to the same level as the VLD in my experience, maximum loads needing to be 0.5-0.6gn less and MVs around 50 fps lower. 24.1gn / 24.6gn Varget is used in Lapua Match brass behind the 90gn BT / VLD respectively with CCI-450 or PMC (Russian KVB-556M) SR magnum primers.

As noted, these loads can only be used with the 90gn Bergers VLD in a suitably throated custom chamber and MUST NOT be used in any rifle chambered for 80s or other shorter bullets. This caveat includes the Wylde chamber and similar forms, and also includes the Savage 12 LRPV and F-TR .223 Rem 1-7" twist barrel rifles unless the throat has been extended. Maximum loads in these chambers will be at least 1.0gn weight less, more likely 1.5gn with a consequent MV reduction of 100 fps or more.

Laurie,
York, England
 
laurie, i like hearing about your adventures with the .223/90 grain bullets in competition. what i like is the money saved and added practice time with that set up. i want to do a similar set up but i am worried that my 6BR will take a back seat
 
Laurie said:
If Alliant AR-Comp comes to the UK, I'll try that in the hope it performs like Re15 but without any temperature sensitivities.

Laurie, I'm hoping the same thing for AR-Comp, but for use in my 6BR. My local shop said they're getting some shortly. I'm definitely curious :)

Also, What are your thoughts on a 223 AI chambered specifically for the 90gr VLD's? I've been planning on building one, and after seeing your results with the straight 223, I'm even more excited to get this project moving.

Walt
 
Also, What are your thoughts on a 223 AI chambered specifically for the 90gr VLD's? I've been planning on building one, and after seeing your results with the straight 223, I'm even more excited to get this project moving.

Walt,

it can only work a little better than 'straight-223R' with a slightly enhanced case capacity / combustion chamber, as well as the sharper shoulder angle. So, if you fancy .223AI go for it. As with the standard version, you'd have to have the throat set to suit the 90s to get full performance from it. I would imagine the same powders would give best results - Varget, Re15, Viht N150 / N550.

It wouldn't be any good for me of course as it would move me from F/TR to F Class (ie Open class) and I'd be up against a bunch of 7mm magnum and .284 shooters!
 
thanks for the response Laurie. I have some other questions about a few things before I go ahead with my build. All unrelated to the topic in this thread. If you don't mind I'll send you PM with some additional questions?

Walt
 

Upgrades & Donations

This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.


Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.

You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.


To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.

Forum statistics

Threads
166,248
Messages
2,214,633
Members
79,487
Latest member
Aeronca
Back
Top