22 waldog

[skeetlee]

I am reading a great book called Extreme rifle accuracy by Mike Ratigan. Mike talks a little bit about the 22 waldog. He claims it is extremely accurate. Maybe even more so than the 6ppc. He did talk much about how you make the cases except it about .100 shorter than a ppc and of course necked down, or would it be necked down. How do you make these cases from the 220 russian. It it a complete pain in the rear end? I wouldnt mind having something like this for club level fun shoots. I am extremely sensitive to recoil (to many years of shooting a 12 ga sporting clays) and the 22 cal stuff is a delight to shoot. Whats the scoop on the waldog? does anyone still shoot these and is anyone making prepared brass for these. I think my smith has the reamer. Like i said, i dont think i would shoot it in a big comp but for club level shoots, why not!! Thanks fellas. Lee

 

[cmillard]

sounds like that round would be the right ticket to use the new hornady hydraulic form dies.

 

[Kiwishooter]

Just to correct you on one point the Waldog is a PPC short by 0.125", Mike shoots what he calls a 22PPC -0.100. This lets him use a fast batch of V133 powder to get the required speed to be competitive with the 6 PPC.
There are a couple of articles in the Benchrest Primer, sold by Precision Shooting Magazine, about forming cases. A few people use a 22/250 die shortened by the required amount to shorten the 220 Russian case.....it works very well, others buy a forming die from Jim Carstenson. Forming cases does take some of the fun out of shooting this case but yes it is accurate and fun to shoot.
Not many shoot this cartridge in competition mainly because of the time it takes to form cases and the 6PPC is so easy to form and just as accurate.
In a 10 1/2lb rifle shooting free recoil I don't notice the recoil of the 6PPC, but do notice that the 22PPC -.100 has less recoil.
If you don't want to form cases I think you can buy ready formed cases from Ron Hoehn......Kiwi

 

[markr]

Just to correct you on one point the Waldog is a PPC short by 0.125", Mike shoots what he calls a 22PPC -0.100. This lets him use a fast batch of V133 powder to get the required speed to be competitive with the 6 PPC.
There are a couple of articles in the Benchrest Primer, sold by Precision Shooting Magazine, about forming cases. A few people use a 22/250 die shortened by the required amount to shorten the 220 Russian case.....it works very well, others buy a forming die from Jim Carstenson. Forming cases does take some of the fun out of shooting this case but yes it is accurate and fun to shoot.
Not many shoot this cartridge in competition mainly because of the time it takes to form cases and the 6PPC is so easy to form and just as accurate.
In a 10 1/2lb rifle shooting free recoil I don't notice the recoil of the 6PPC, but do notice that the 22PPC -.100 has less recoil.
If you don't want to form cases I think you can buy ready formed cases from Ron Hoehn......Kiwi

Yup, you could probably do that for about 2 bucks a pop. Practically speaking, one would be better off to just shoot a PPC and be done with it.

 

[skeetlee]

sounds like the ppc is the only way to go!! By chance and just for curiosity would anyone know what lot of N133 is the so called fast batch? Thanks fellas for the replies. The case just looked interesting, but i need to stick with the basics for a while. Lee

 

[pwdrbrn]

Precision Shoting magazine contributing writer Dick Wright shoots a 22 waldog (believe at the super shoot at kelbly's) and has written about it in P.S.. Pick up a copy, i think adress is in there to contact him. He's from michigan.

 

[eggman]

I have been a 22 cal. fan for some time . When I starting shooting some group matches I thought I would try a 22 caliber round but didn't look forward to all the case prep of the usual cartridges. I ended up going with the 220 Beggs which is basically just a 220 Russian with the radius changed at the neck / shoulder junction . Gene Beggs has the reamers dies and such. Here is a link to post Gene had in BRC: http://benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66268&highlight=gene+beggs

I have had three 220 Beggs barrels and I can't see how you would be giving anything up using this cartridge with much less hassle.

Rodney

 

[skeetlee]

I talked with ron hoene today. (I hope i spelled his name right) He has a version of the waldog, or 22 ppc short that is .070 shorter than a standard 22 ppc. I am giving this some serious consideration. I feel like i need to stick with the basics, but i have always enjoyed shooting 22cal chamberings. To many years of shotgunning, and the dreaded flinch i have developed. I had release triggers on my browning and i would still flinch every once in a while. I dont know what i will do yet, but Ron sells the brass already prepared. Its expensive for sure!! The dies on the other hand shouldnt be to bad. you take a 22 ppc die and cut .070 off the bottom of the die, same with the seater die. I can do that myself. Well see. I am trying to read as much as i can about it, and if i do it, it wont be for a while. I need to wear out the barrel on the 6ppc first. That's if the weather would ever brake!! Lee