22 rimfire barrel tuners

[gunsandgunsmithing]

So, by your own standards, I'm sure you won't mind if I point out that I've NEVER seen your name near the top at a cf match. Maybe I missed it.
A barrel with a tuner that never gets moved is simply a barrel that vibrates at a lower frequency vs without one. There's no voodoo going on here. It's purely physics. You clearly disregard physics so there's not much point discussing it with you.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Thanks, dumb me, I thought you were talking barrels.
Me, I’m a B&A guy myself, just put another on a new PPC build on a BAT DS.

I wish I could get Muller, I heard some guys been waiting 2 years+

Lee

 

[garandman]

I wish I could get Muller, I heard some guys been waiting 2 years+

Lee

I just bought an 8 groove Muller from Bugholes.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I just bought an 8 groove Muller from Bugholes.

a new blank?

 

[garandman]

a new blank?

Yes. 27" 0.900 straight contour.

I know they got another 4 groove.

 

[Tim s]

Joel? Sure, Joel is a good buddy, originally from here in upstate NY before he found love and moved to Vegas.
He’s a hell of a shooter and great bullet maker.
CF I know little other than tuners work and most adjust them, especially with 133.
Simply seen too much evidence, however, that suggests that RF barrels, once tuned, the good ones are set.

 

[Tim s]

So, by your own standards, I'm sure you won't mind if I point out that I've NEVER seen your name near the top at a cf match. Maybe I missed it.
A barrel with a tuner that never gets moved is simply a barrel that vibrates at a lower frequency vs without one. There's no voodoo going on here. It's purely physics. You clearly disregard physics so there's not much point discussing it with you.

Really ? Just won, a couple weeks back, the LV grand @ the last IBS shoot, NYS champs. Would that count, maybe?

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Joel? Sure, Joel is a good buddy, originally from here in upstate NY before he found love and moved to Vegas.
He’s a heel of a shooter and great bullet maker.
CF I know little other than tuners work and most adjust them, especially with 133.
Simply seen too much evidence, however, that suggests that RF barrels, once tuned, the good ones are set.

Tim, he recently won the World Championship 2-gun in Canada. real nice guy, I run into him once in awhile at the club we are members at.
as for RF tuning set and forget, I have a 1411 that the tuner has not been touched in 3-years, I shoot this rifle year round from 30's to 100+ temps all different lots
in February while lot testing at Lapua it came close to beating the standing 10-shot of 10.32mm, it did 11mm using this same tuner setting.
must be dumb luck, as I been accused of not knowing what I am doing.

Lee

 

[Tim s]

Tim, he recently won the World Championship 2-gun in Canada. real nice guy, I run into him once in awhile at the club we are members at.
as for RF tuning set and forget, I have a 1411 that the tuner has not been touched in 3-years, I shoot this rifle year round from 30's to 100+ temps all different lots
in February while lot testing at Lapua it came close to beating the standing 10-shot of 10.32mm, it did 11mm using this same tuner setting.
must be dumb luck, as I been accused of not knowing what I am doing.

Lee

he won the Super Shoot @Kelbleys this year as well, not a bad year.
On the 1411, I promise not to tell Mike.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I don't know anything at all about tuners, so this is really question, not a statement....

But does tuning with the ammo yer not gonna be compoeting with make sense? Velocity, pressure, lubes, even lot numbers will all create variables that change harmonics. Does tuning with one ammo eally help me tune to a different ammo?

Honest question.

If you want to find the tune, use the best ammo you got. with less than 200 rds. you should be able to find a setting or settings which will give you a good base to start with. look for the setting that will repeat and this may not be the one that will shoot the smallest groups, as there will be some settings that will simply drill but not repeat. in other words 2-3 out of 5 is not what you are after you want 5 out of 5 this is the only way you will score well.
I use 3-shots and move only 5-clicks at a time using the true or mechanical zero of the tuner, this the tuner turned in till it stops and not the number marked zero.
using the $18 a box measure for cost this will only put you out by $72 using less than the best will cost you more in time, money and frustration.

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

i am planning to build a tuner for my 22 target rifle, i see there are 2 ways to approach this concept, first is by adding a moveable weight fore and aft, second is the type where there is no weight involved it is turning the tuner in and out, is one method preferred over the other.

chet

Chet, another thing you might want to consider is having a tuner with the ability to move the outer bell first to find a setting and a secondary ring to find tune the setting. I currently use O-rings to do this by adding very small amounts of weight in the grams to fine tune. but if I had a second ring to do this it would be easier to do.

Lee

 

[garandman]

@Hi-NV Shooter ... that makes logical sense, anyway.... thx.

 

[shortine]

I see the "Purdey" prescription mentioned here, and that's probably the standard used by most RFBR shooters. That depends on someone else already having done the testing, finding that that testing applies almost universally, and apparently works well or nobody would be using it. If you really like fooling around, can afford the ammo, and like proving things for yourself, try the "Hopewell" method. I use it after I've found a very compatible ammo, but that could be wrong. It works for me.

I almost hated to see tuners brought up here. Discussions usually degenerate to a couple of rimfire geniuses over who has the biggest....um....opinion.

Gerry

 

[Tim s]

Lot’s of guys use Tony’s method......far from most.
People tend to think tuning is this strange, elusive, deal. If you have a good barrel it is fairly straight forward.
For newer guys this can be quite helpful and Tony is very generous with his time and effort if no other reason than to give you a starting point/baseline.
Unfortunately a lot of guys start out with a so so barrel and you can be the tuner champion of the universe but you are never going to make a “C” barrel into an “A” barrel with a tuner. That and the fact that some guys simply try 5 things at once.....rarely effective.

 

[garandman]

I almost hated to see tuners brought up here. Discussions usually degenerate to a couple of rimfire geniuses over who has the biggest....um....opinion.

Gerry

I come here to learn and to ask questions and to consider other point of views. I'm the farthest thing from an expert that posts here.

Speaking only for myself… I find the pushy authoritarian know-it-all arrogant type very off putting and while they may know a lot I honestly can't get past their condescending attitude.

Particularly off putting are those who tell me what I have personally done an experienced and tested and falsified isnt actually happening and doesn't really mean anything.

This is said generically but applies to whomever it applies to. The wise will heed.... If only to make their knowledge base palatable and accessible by others.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

It just occurred to me that a very important thing that needs to be understood on tuning a RFBR rifle. and that has to do with the total setup, meaning it is not just the barrel and tuner. bedding makes a difference, how the rifle reacts in the rest under recoil, weight of the rifle. in RFBR it is the total package.
IMO that is why the reference of shooters chasing their tails, it is because of this not understanding what is needed. the best way IMO is first see how the rifle shoots without a tuner, if it can only do 1/2" with your best lot, you do have IMO a challenge, if you want to get it to do .200 or better.
again the reason behind reference of A, B & C barrels, if it can do .250 than the road to consistent .200 will be less of a challenge if again the total package is correct.
it is much easier to make a sand castle with a pile of sand than with a pile of rocks.

Lee