22 BR good bad ??

[urbanrifleman]

I shoot a lot of 22BR and have had 4 or 5 barrels so far.

I mainly shoot 90smk which absolutely hammer...but I did test some 80smk and 80vld.. the 80smk shot better in my barrel but 80vld was no slouch..

https://imgur.com/6hlbl7q

28" Mullerworks 1:7
22BR
0.055" off lands
TL3/XLR Envy

80smk
29.5gr H4895
5xLapua
CCI 450


200yd - 5 shots

https://imgur.com/dLzVcAo

400yd - 5 shots

https://imgur.com/0kQmS0H

That's just good shooting right there.

 

[JPB3]

I have two 22BR rifles....a .245 neck twisted 1:14 and a 'no turn' neck twisted 1:12. Both are incredibly accurate with a small edge to the neck turned chamber rig. A 1:12 gives the option of using bullets like the 53 VMax and the 55 BTip if you're into big box bullets.

For those interested in doing a 'no turn', make double damn sure that the reamer used will work with the neck diameter of whatever 6BR brass you use. Make up a few cases with the brass and verify the actual chamber neck diameter of the reamer.

A good 22-250 or 22-250AI,22CM, etc won't get close to a good 22BR's consistent accuracy, group after group.

Good shootin' -Al

Good point, Al.. Been down that road with a reamer or two. Ordered to be a no turn and received an unpleasant surprise.. Turn the necks darnit!

 

[AlNyhus]

Good point, Al.. Been down that road with a reamer or two. Ordered to be a no turn and received an unpleasant surprise.. Turn the necks darnit!

Yep. I encourage anyone getting a 22BR to use someone that has a known dimension reamer. Even with the near universal use of the 6BR 'Norma' chamber specs for the body size and case length...there's still the possibility of getting a chamber that's spec'd off the original 22BR Remington setup.

If the person chambering your barrel can't or won't supply the reamer dimensions prior to doing your barrel, don't walk away....run!

 

[urbanrifleman]

Yep. I encourage anyone getting a 22BR to use someone that has a known dimension reamer. Even with the near universal use of the 6BR 'Norma' chamber specs for the body size and case length...there's still the possibility of getting a chamber that's spec'd off the original 22BR Remington setup.

If the person chambering your barrel can't or won't supply the reamer dimensions prior to doing your barrel, don't walk away....run!

Never hurts to have 5 dozen in the field shooting well either.

 

[Cbrown3020]

So again many thanks for all the responses.
I’m learning alot but as I learn I have more questions. I assumed bad move on my part that I would just need to do a simple neck down on a 6BR case to 22. But I keep reading about a 22BR die. This leads me to believe there is more than a neck diameter difference??

Thanks to all again!!
Kevin

 

[padom]

So again many thanks for all the responses.
I’m learning alot but as I learn I have more questions. I assumed bad move on my part that I would just need to do a simple neck down on a 6BR case to 22. But I keep reading about a 22BR die. This leads me to believe there is more than a neck diameter difference??

Thanks to all again!!
Kevin

Neck down is all you need. I do it in 2 steps, squeezing down half the diameter with a bushing in the middle of 6br and final 22br neck diameter then do a second pass with my final neck bushing. I just dont like doing it all at once but many do. Haven't lost a single case.

Yes they make 22br dies. But you can also use a 6br die with thr right 22br bushing.

I've used my SAC FL Bushing die for both 6br and 22br for many years just swapping bushings.

I actually took a bunch of my 10-12x fired 6BR lapua (fired in my 6br) and converted them to 22br and they are still going strong zero issues. Many firings.

 

[AlNyhus]

So again many thanks for all the responses.
I’m learning alot but as I learn I have more questions. I assumed bad move on my part that I would just need to do a simple neck down on a 6BR case to 22. But I keep reading about a 22BR die. This leads me to believe there is more than a neck diameter difference??

Thanks to all again!!
Kevin

Be aware that not all bushing dies size the entire length of the neck. I use a Redding #75316 22BR Body Die to neck down 6BR cases. From there, I can neck turn or leave the necks alone (for a no-turn) and just size with the bushing die.

Good shootin' -Al

 

[boltfluter]

The .22BR is a fantastic round! If you don't have at least one in your "stable" you are missing out on a lot of fun. Just sayin!! Lol.
Paul

 

[357Mag]

Any one shooting a 14 twist 22 BR ??
Positives negatives what kind of velocities with 50gr bullets? How does it compare to a 22-250AI for performance besides the powder charge.

CBrown -

Howdy !

Benchrest riflesmith Fred Sinclair made me one of the earliest .22BR’s out there.
Back then, in the mid-latter -70’s…. in .224” calibre; 1-14 was the most popular twist to use.

I had already used .222 REM, .223, .22-250; and my wildcat “ .22-35 Remington “
( case capacity 49.4gr H2O ) all w/ 1-14 twist… to shoot groundhog. I decided to also try the .22BR on “ Soybeanus Digestus “. Since I had already upgraded from using Hornady 50SX to their exemplary 55SX, the 55 is what I tried in the 20” barreled BR.

What I will say is:

A short/fat case designed to provide superb accuracy can often provide great bullet velocity for the cases’s efficient volume & powder charge weights. Notwithstanding,
a point will still be reached where larger case capacity in the same calibre…shooting the same bullet wt… will give you higher terminal velocity / flatter trajectory. And at the same time, larger case capacity rifles can be assembled that will provide the requisite amount of accuracy for the task at hand.

My wildcat “ .22-35 Remington “ was a superior “ fit “ for my anti-groundhog needs.
One can decide for theirself where/when use of a superb .22BR makes sense.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[Shifty6br]

So again many thanks for all the responses.
I’m learning alot but as I learn I have more questions. I assumed bad move on my part that I would just need to do a simple neck down on a 6BR case to 22. But I keep reading about a 22BR die. This leads me to believe there is more than a neck diameter difference??

Thanks to all again!!
Kevin

For s&g's I run the brass thru a Redding body die setup to just do an intermediate neck down without altering the shoulder. this will bring the neck down partially to dimension but not so dramatically on the first run. Then I go all the way with a Forster fl die...expander removed. Finishing up with an expander mandrel diie.

Side note...I did have my fl die opened up to size to .2445 on the neck using Forster honing service as I found the original dimension on the die would size the neck down much more than needed.

 

[Cbrown3020]

So does anyone know what a 22BR body die does that a 6BR die does not? Other than the obvious neck difference.

Much appreciated!!
Kevin

 

[AlNyhus]

So does anyone know what a 22BR body die does that a 6BR die does not? Other than the obvious neck difference.

Much appreciated!!
Kevin

Same exact body dimensions.

 

[alf]

My 18 inch, 12" twist, zero freebore, 22x47 Lapua, rebuilt for night time coyotes.

52 Bergers at 3800 via H-4895.

 

[cb186]

I bought a 22BR S type bushing die, because simply switching bushings in 6BR die leaves a bigger external doughnut at the shoulder/neck junction because the shoulder in the 6BR bushing die stops at a larger diameter where it meets the bushing.

 

[Darkside]

You can't beat the 22Br, But I just finished a 22 creedmore with 7.5, it's shooting the 85.5 very well. A little more tinkering and I think I'll try it at 600yds.
Good luck and Have Fun.

 

[Gander P]

Any one shooting a 14 twist 22 BR ??
Positives negatives what kind of velocities with 50gr bullets? How does it compare to a 22-250AI for performance besides the powder charge.

I’m shooting a 22 br in for score matches and also have one in a varmint rifle. They are extremely easy to tune and are deadly accurate. My bench gun has placed in several matches with 53 gr. bullets. My powder is N133 @ 30.2 gr. She is shooting around 3600 fps. My varmint rifle is shooting a 50 gr Sierra Vermonter bullet with 31.5 gr of Bench mark powder @ about 3900 fps. Both of those rifles are a thrill to shoot. As you can tell I’m sold on the 22 br. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with this caliber.

 

[ISS]

I have always believed that there are only two ways to increase MV.
1. bigger case.
2. higher pressure.

School me. How is this different?

 

[ELR LVR]

So does anyone know what a 22BR body die does that a 6BR die does not? Other than the obvious neck difference.

Much appreciated!!
Kevin

Just get a Full Length 22BR "SIZING" die from Forster or Redding
I like my Forster just a hair better as it sizes the base down a touch smaller when you start pushing velocities

 

[JSH]

Read everything through to this point, nothing much I can add.

A highly over looked cartridge for sure.

As mentioned there are still reamers out there intended for RP brass use.
I picked up a Cooper 22BR a few years back, it uses RP brass with no real work needed.
I did make some from Lapua brass but neck turning was necessary for proper clearance. I just wanted a few and used some unknown fired brass, that turned into a lot of work getting it sized so it would chamber, but it is still going strong at this point.

Increased MV, yup speed=pressure. It’s a wildcat, enter at your own risk.
I have numerous wildcats and zero regrets with any.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Was making 22br from Lapua 6br for fireforming in my 22bra and I used a Redding 6br die with a 249 bushing and the 22 expander/decapper. Pulled the handle. Looked good to me.