22 bolt rimfire
- Thread starter SheepDog
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Anschutz '54, 1813 & 1913, Walther, Weihrauch.
Boyd L.
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Not to be contentious but my various Anschutz rifles are all press fit.
germanlongbow
Scott M Bainbridge
I have a stainless 10-22 with threaded barrel built in late 1990's.
Stiller 2500.
Save yourself a lot of money and frustration. Buy an Anschutz 1710 or 1712 sporter, they shoot very well, have a good trigger and are used by the great majority of silhouette shooters. You can shoot it in both Standard and Hunter class and if you are good enough that you can outshoot it in stock form you can either sell it at little to no loss, or restock/rebarrel it.
drover
drover
I can buy a new CZ (a brand I know and trust) and rebarrel it for less than the price of the Anschutz which will come with a slower twist barrel than I want. I am definitely not "good enough" that I could out shoot the rifle while standing shooting without any support.
What I want is a barrel heavy rifle with a 1:12 or 1:10 twist for better stabilization through the trans-sonic region. I am getting fliers that are well outside my groups between 50 and 100 yards. If I go to low velocity target ammo I would have to adjust my scope throughout the match. That adds two more variables I don't intend to incorporate into my shooting.
What I want is a barrel heavy rifle with a 1:12 or 1:10 twist for better stabilization through the trans-sonic region. I am getting fliers that are well outside my groups between 50 and 100 yards. If I go to low velocity target ammo I would have to adjust my scope throughout the match. That adds two more variables I don't intend to incorporate into my shooting.
You have more wind drift with high vel ammo . You should do a lot more research before you try . I shoot 300 yds with a 22 std vel .
There's a reason match / target ammo is std vel .
Buy better ammo , std vel .
I made a squeeze bore 1-8 for shooting the 60 gr 22 lr ammo that was out a few yrs ago . It worked but ammo is now obsolete .
There's a reason match / target ammo is std vel .
Buy better ammo , std vel .
I made a squeeze bore 1-8 for shooting the 60 gr 22 lr ammo that was out a few yrs ago . It worked but ammo is now obsolete .
The reason for match ammo having lower velocity is to stay out of the transonic region. I would have to adjust my scope twice in each round and return it to zero if I were to use it. Right now I consistently come in first or second in each bank and per match. I am not interested in lower velocity ammo. The gun I have now will shoot very small groups with a couple of the target ammos available from a bench. When I am standing and shooting off hand the difference in group size is negligible.
I understand what you are saying and I agree that if I was shooting from a bench the target ammo would have a distinct advantage providing I remembered to make the necessary adjustments every time. There are folks who shoot with me that make adjustments to their scopes and at our ages it more often causes problems. An example is one very good shooter who misadjusted the scope after shooting at the chickens. That error carried on through the rest of the match and gave him the lowest score he had received all year. After resighting at the rams between matches he was back on target. One more example is that a different shooter had a scope that didn't respond to the change in adjustment. Bad things sometimes happen to good equipment. After sending his scope in on the warranty it was fine.
I have my own way of doing things and at nearly 67 I don't respond well to changes that complicate my recreation. Come to think of it, when I was in my twenties and shooting Hunter's Pistol Silhouette I used the same process with a Ruger Security-Six. I sighted in at 100 yards and held under at the other ranges. I was the top shooter at that range against guys shooting all manner of special guns. I was a AAA class shooter used to seeing all 40 targets fall to my gun. I don't ant to complicate my game, I just want to improve it slightly.
I understand what you are saying and I agree that if I was shooting from a bench the target ammo would have a distinct advantage providing I remembered to make the necessary adjustments every time. There are folks who shoot with me that make adjustments to their scopes and at our ages it more often causes problems. An example is one very good shooter who misadjusted the scope after shooting at the chickens. That error carried on through the rest of the match and gave him the lowest score he had received all year. After resighting at the rams between matches he was back on target. One more example is that a different shooter had a scope that didn't respond to the change in adjustment. Bad things sometimes happen to good equipment. After sending his scope in on the warranty it was fine.
I have my own way of doing things and at nearly 67 I don't respond well to changes that complicate my recreation. Come to think of it, when I was in my twenties and shooting Hunter's Pistol Silhouette I used the same process with a Ruger Security-Six. I sighted in at 100 yards and held under at the other ranges. I was the top shooter at that range against guys shooting all manner of special guns. I was a AAA class shooter used to seeing all 40 targets fall to my gun. I don't ant to complicate my game, I just want to improve it slightly.
Now that you've given a little background , I understand and agree . I see too many newbies thinking hi vel ammo is the way to go .
CZ are great and just a FYI , they have metric threads .
I still have a few old 788 silhouette rifles around .
I shoot 22 lr prone / bench , love the look I get at 300 yds with nearly 1 degree of scope incline .
CZ are great and just a FYI , they have metric threads .
I still have a few old 788 silhouette rifles around .
I shoot 22 lr prone / bench , love the look I get at 300 yds with nearly 1 degree of scope incline .
There are times that I have wished I could shoot a silhouette match from the bench - either back spasms/pain or 30 mph winds gusting to 45... But everyone competing has the same wind problems and quite a few have back, neck and shoulder problems to deal with. We have been trying to encourage the younger set to join in but they are into the faster games like 3 gun and steel challenge to be bothered with having to be accurate with small targets at longer ranges. Three gun and steel challenge are fun too, and I shoot them, but silhouette is especially challenging - I like that. 
sheepdog,
It is your money and certainly your choice as to how to spend it but IMO you may as well drive down the road throwing money out the window.
A little background - I am Master class in Hunter rifle and AAA in Standard rifle, I use my Hunter rifle for both classes. I have won quite a few State matches, Regional matches, and have been fortunate enough to win some Nationals matches. I also have Grand Slam pins from both Hunter rifle and Standard rifle in Smallbore and High-Power. I have not shot a 40 yet but I do have quite a few 37/40 and a couple of 39/40 under my belt. I am not posting this to brag but to let you know that I have some experience behind my suggestions and have a pretty good idea of what does and doesn't works.
I am also a few years older than you, so I know what you mean about the aches and pains associated with shooting off-hand at an advanced age.
I have no idea what level you are shooting at, whether it is Club level unregistered matches or Registered matches, or if you are using regulation sized smallbore rifle silhouette targets. At the higher level of smallbore silhouette competition if you check the rifle racks, or watch the shooters you will notice that well over 75% of them use two items - an Anschutz 1710 0r 1712 and a Leupold 6.5-20 scope with elevation and windage knobs. Most shooters who finish at, or near, the top will be using mid-level match-grade ammo with a 40 gr bullet, with a muzzle velocity of somewhere around 1050-1100 fps so it does not have to deal with the transonic issue. Most of all of those folks have been down the road of searching to "buy" points with a "better idea", if what you are proposing worked believe me folks would be doing it.
As far as adjusting scopes that is a non-issue, I do not know of anyone who is a serious competitor who tries to hold under and over for his sight settings. And if you are not adjusting for windage then you are giving up a lot of points (perhaps this is what's behind some of your "flyers). Scope adjusting in a smallbore rifle silhouette match is a necessity to be competitive. It is as simple as putting a piece of tape on the stock or scope with your "come-ups", for example mine is marked C-0, P-1.3, T-4.1, R- 7.3. It requires nothing more than looking at the scope to be sure it has the proper setting before starting to shoot the bank of animals.
To keep a scope from tracking issues all that is required is an occasional "excercising" of the knobs. This is nothing more than once every month or two run the knobs from stop to stop, this spreads the grease around and keeps the scope from sticking on an unlubed thread which develops from constantly adjusting the scope through the same limited movement.
You mentioned that your rifle shoots the same size groups off the bench as it does off-hand, if you can shoot the same size groups off-hand as you can off the bench then you are a "hard-holder". As a matter of fact I do not know of anyone else who can do that and I have shot with some of the best in the sport for a lot of years. What size groups are we talking about at 44 meters, 60 meters, 77 meters, and 100 meters?
My rifle, off the bench, shoots around 3/8" at 44 M., 1/2" at 60 M., 1/2"- 3/4" at 77 M., and one inch at 100 meters under ideal conditions and my off-hand groups are at least twice as large under ideal conditions.
May I suggest that before spending money on your idea visit steelchickens.com, go to the rimfire silhouette forum and float your idea there for some additional feedback. Good luck whichever way you decide to go.
drover
It is your money and certainly your choice as to how to spend it but IMO you may as well drive down the road throwing money out the window.
A little background - I am Master class in Hunter rifle and AAA in Standard rifle, I use my Hunter rifle for both classes. I have won quite a few State matches, Regional matches, and have been fortunate enough to win some Nationals matches. I also have Grand Slam pins from both Hunter rifle and Standard rifle in Smallbore and High-Power. I have not shot a 40 yet but I do have quite a few 37/40 and a couple of 39/40 under my belt. I am not posting this to brag but to let you know that I have some experience behind my suggestions and have a pretty good idea of what does and doesn't works.
I am also a few years older than you, so I know what you mean about the aches and pains associated with shooting off-hand at an advanced age.
I have no idea what level you are shooting at, whether it is Club level unregistered matches or Registered matches, or if you are using regulation sized smallbore rifle silhouette targets. At the higher level of smallbore silhouette competition if you check the rifle racks, or watch the shooters you will notice that well over 75% of them use two items - an Anschutz 1710 0r 1712 and a Leupold 6.5-20 scope with elevation and windage knobs. Most shooters who finish at, or near, the top will be using mid-level match-grade ammo with a 40 gr bullet, with a muzzle velocity of somewhere around 1050-1100 fps so it does not have to deal with the transonic issue. Most of all of those folks have been down the road of searching to "buy" points with a "better idea", if what you are proposing worked believe me folks would be doing it.
As far as adjusting scopes that is a non-issue, I do not know of anyone who is a serious competitor who tries to hold under and over for his sight settings. And if you are not adjusting for windage then you are giving up a lot of points (perhaps this is what's behind some of your "flyers). Scope adjusting in a smallbore rifle silhouette match is a necessity to be competitive. It is as simple as putting a piece of tape on the stock or scope with your "come-ups", for example mine is marked C-0, P-1.3, T-4.1, R- 7.3. It requires nothing more than looking at the scope to be sure it has the proper setting before starting to shoot the bank of animals.
To keep a scope from tracking issues all that is required is an occasional "excercising" of the knobs. This is nothing more than once every month or two run the knobs from stop to stop, this spreads the grease around and keeps the scope from sticking on an unlubed thread which develops from constantly adjusting the scope through the same limited movement.
You mentioned that your rifle shoots the same size groups off the bench as it does off-hand, if you can shoot the same size groups off-hand as you can off the bench then you are a "hard-holder". As a matter of fact I do not know of anyone else who can do that and I have shot with some of the best in the sport for a lot of years. What size groups are we talking about at 44 meters, 60 meters, 77 meters, and 100 meters?
My rifle, off the bench, shoots around 3/8" at 44 M., 1/2" at 60 M., 1/2"- 3/4" at 77 M., and one inch at 100 meters under ideal conditions and my off-hand groups are at least twice as large under ideal conditions.
May I suggest that before spending money on your idea visit steelchickens.com, go to the rimfire silhouette forum and float your idea there for some additional feedback. Good luck whichever way you decide to go.
drover
What barrel company is making rimfire barrels with such a fast twist rate? 16 is the standard, the 14.5 twist remington barrels are the fastest I've ever heard of anyone using, and they don't do so well. I use a 17 3/4 twist benchmark on a 40x and its been a great barrel.
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