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22-250 groups fell apart! How?

Well seems like you have everything figured out . I'm glad . Some of us mortals need a lifetime of hard work to acquire the knowledge. I guess I'm lucky to have your attention to detail versus my 35 + yrs of smithing , ill just rely on you or get my fortune cookie .

Is your statement ? - "I am a gunsmith with more than thirty-five years of experience and by luck (fortune) have the same attention to detail (fyrewall) has, but, in addition, my more than thirty-five years of gunsmithing experience gives me more authority regarding this issue."

Just about every state has a lottery but before this happened various free thinking people (families) ran their own lotteries that were known as the "numbers game". Number's game odds were astronomical and the proceeds did not pay for schools and orphan care. On occasion, the winner picked a number that could be written in chalk on the side of a box car or appear inside a fortune cookie. The point is: would you prefer to predict barrel life by some wild guess (fortune cookie) or by actual repetitive observations of advancing wear.

In this case the OP is discussing a Ruger M77 MKII, .22-.250 and has labored (tedious?) to fix the problem with apparent success. I don't think the OP intends to get into bench rest competition. I see a rifle that produces excellent accuracy; my own experience with the same .22-.250 caliber having some 3000 rounds tells me that the probability of similar performance is likely.

If anything, I have "figured out" a common sense approach beats auto negativity and guess work.
 
Is your statement ? - "I am a gunsmith with more than thirty-five years of experience and by luck (fortune) have the same attention to detail (fyrewall) has, but, in addition, my more than thirty-five years of gunsmithing experience gives me more authority regarding this issue."

Just about every state has a lottery but before this happened various free thinking people (families) ran their own lotteries that were known as the "numbers game". Number's game odds were astronomical and the proceeds did not pay for schools and orphan care. On occasion, the winner picked a number that could be written in chalk on the side of a box car or appear inside a fortune cookie. The point is: would you prefer to predict barrel life by some wild guess (fortune cookie) or by actual repetitive observations of advancing wear.

In this case the OP is discussing a Ruger M77 MKII, .22-.250 and has labored (tedious?) to fix the problem with apparent success. I don't think the OP intends to get into bench rest competition. I see a rifle that produces excellent accuracy; my own experience with the same .22-.250 caliber having some 3000 rounds tells me that the probability of similar performance is likely.

If anything, I have "figured out" a common sense approach beats auto negativity and guess work.
Life is too short to waste time on bald tires , sure you can patch them but the results will be temporary. Next time you need a doctor , try your neighbor diagnosis. I mean it can't hurt , right ?
 
Life is too short to waste time on bald tires , sure you can patch them but the results will be temporary. Next time you need a doctor , try your neighbor diagnosis. I mean it can't hurt , right ?
A common sense approach would be to replace the barrel , just my professional opinion . . I'm glad you like your results but I'm sorry your too frugal to understand the benefits of replacing worn parts when needed .
Please be safe .
 
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The OP stated accuracy went south at 2500 rounds. Upon working on the problem, accuracy was restored to what I see was sub one inch @ 100. 3000 - 2500 is 500, or probably 500 / 125 (round per prairie dog shoot) = 4 shoots.

I stated my approach would be to inspect the barrel and every thing else after each use and another 500 rounds could be reasonably expected. Given a 400 yard target like a prairie dog, having a width of approximately 4 inches or a length of about 12 inches when lying flat, a rifle having 1 inch capabilities at 100 would be adequate. I get more hits when shooting at wider targets at longer ranges as most aiming errors are wind related. Wait for the rodent to lie down (like horizontal) then shoot - the barrel will cool down somewhat. The goal is to shoot as many rodents as possible - not wear out your barrel.

Replacing the barrel is a major undertaking involving $400 - $500 (don't mess with cheap stuff) and another 500 rounds is only a 20 per cent increase of existing use. And any barrel maintenance would only involve cleaning with the exception of setting the barrel back and rechambering - not to be done with 2500 rounds through the barrel. So, if it still shoots good keep on using it.

My guess is that the rifle fix was removal of the ding on the crown. I discounted one of the attachments concerning crown mutilation and the 168 grain Sierra MK with a 1 -12 twist - my thinking being the OP's 50 grain Vmax is marginally stabilized with a 1-14 and a having a SG (stability gyro) of less than 1.4 and would not recover from any deflection like a 168 Si MK with a 1-12.

Other extraneous unsolicited advice - one of my favorite .22-.250 loads with a 1-14, is the 52 grain Si MK with H380 ( mentioned in this thread). When the OP finally gets a new barrel, my suggestion would to get a matching contour, stainless, 1-7.7, 1-8, or 1-9 twist. The 1-9 twist would probably be the best all-around and one of my .22-.250 having a 1-9 shoots 68 grain Hornady's and 70 grain Berger's extremely well as well as the 53 grain VMax. The 1-7.7 and 1 -8 allow use of long pointy 75 grain bullets like the 75 grain Amax and Berger 75 VLD. Another needed rifle modification for 68's & 75's would be to replace the existing shorter M77 MKII .22-.250 magazine box with a longer .243 or .308 size; a new longer .308 size follower would be needed. A .22-250 using 70 grain Berger VLD's at about 3300 reduces wind errors on the tiny rodents. A fast twist and 68-75 grain bullets puts the .22-.250 into the same long range league (not exactly equal but comparable) as the 6mm's and 6.5mm's and my .22-.250's see more use.

Optical bore scopes help in periodic bore inspections. Not all barrels and shooting habits are the same - not all barrels wear out at the same number of rounds fired. Periodic bore inspections and performance evaluations will help to determine when to spend up to $500 on a new barrel.
 
Update for ya fellas.
I finally got this out to the range and sighted in at my standard 200yds. Here is the target. We had a 6-7mph Right to left wind. The round to the left was pulled, called it, and the high right round happened when I shifted body position. Either way this is a success for getting the rifle accuracy back. I am very happy with it compared to where we started. We leave Aug 30th For Montana P-dog hunting. I'll post again afterward with a field report.

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Interesting thread regardless of the round count down a barrel when accuracy has taken a dive. The last 200 yard target should give minute of p-dog results. As discussed, just curious how many more rounds before cleaning, etc won't bring the accuracy back.
 
All right fellas, an update for you.
I just got back from an 11 day trip to Montana P-dog shooting. We were located near Malta, MT - coined the "Prairie dog capitol of the world" We spent 7 days shooting on a 47,000+ acre ranch. The weather was favorable other then some speedy winds on a couple days, we had to get a log chain out for a wind flag those days. (we went fishing)

We shot from homemade swiveling shooting benches from the back of the truck or set on the ground. After getting setup we would usually get 2 or 3 shots inside 250 yards, then 3-4 shots inside 300 yards. The rest of the time was spent shooting 300-450 yards. These dogs were educated by other hunters. The fella I went with and I both have scopes that can be dialed for distance and we worked on ballistic charts and data all summer so longer ranges were welcomed. We used good range finders to range mounds and worked together as a shooter-spotter team calling shots. This area had a drought last summer and a very hard winter. Were finding a lot of pups this late in the year which is odd. The rancher said there were no pups in June this year.

I primarily shot the Ruger 22-250 that we worked on in this thread. I was paying close attention to perceived accuracy, change in accuracy with heat and change in accuracy with round count and cleaning. It was outstanding. The 22-250 was my primary long range gun. I shot almost 600 rounds through it and didn't see any change in accuracy. It was a hammer! I did minimal cleaning. I only oiled the bolt on day 3 and ran a bore snake through it at the same time. That was it. Never had to break out the brush and JB.

One afternoon we got into a fresh town where dogs were everywhere and in the 225yd to 325yd range. I shot 50 rounds in about 20 min. That 50 round box drove my barrel to high temps, my temp gauge on the barrel goes to 140 deg and that is what it read. I was trying to keep the temp to 122 or below most of the trip. I didn't see any change is accuracy at high temps, although it was shorter range than we were typically shooting.

I shot 331 P-dogs total (3 rifles). 75% of them at 300yds and beyond. The 22-250 was my primary long range gun. I had multiple kills past 450yds and a few over 500. My longest was at 540yds with a light wind in early morning. I got a first at 540yds which took several shots to walk the round in and a second dog at 540 with the first shot at it. Zeroed at 200yds it took 2.2 mils of elevation and 1/2 mil of wind to get that little 50gr V-max on the right spot.

All in all, a good trip.

Now the Ruger 22-250 will get a good cleaning again. I might hit it lightly with the JB to make sure a carbon build up has not started again. With the accuracy I had on this trip and no change or drop in accuracy I think I'll wait to re-barrel just yet. We have another P-dog trip to Nebraska planned for the first week of October (3 weeks out). I will see how it shoots there as well. If accuracy holds up I'm going to keep shooting this barrel.

Thanks everyone for you help on the rifle. The rifle's accuracy is way better and, as important, my confidence in this rifle is solidly restored. This made the trip and shooting a success. Special thanks to ackleymanII.

Some Photos now-

Typical Bench Setup.
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The two of us.
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On the bench
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Hey!! I got a badger too...
plus a rattle snake and 3 coyotes.
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Here is my typical drop chat I use. These are printed 3x5 or 5x8, glued back to back and laminated.
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