22.250 balistic tips

[simon6ppc]

hi guys i have just bought a new vssf 2 remy in 22.250.it shoots 50 grain hornady soft points well under an inch at 100 yards,but i want to use 50 grain v.max or nosler as i want to hunt with it as the soft points were penciling through the foxes,the problem is both the ballistic tips will not group any were near the soft points,they are around a inch and a half and more at 100 yards,any advice would be welcome as i have tried all different seating depths etc etc.cheers simon

 

[ShootDots]

Hi Simon.. I had a Savage 22-250 with a 1-14twist.. I used to shoot Berger 52gr. M.E.F's that they don't make anymore. I started shooting 55GR. Sierra Blitzking bullets. I chose them because my throat at this point was really bad and I needed a LONG bullet to try and get close to the lands. Well I keep excellent records and have the data from that load. I seated them to 2.185" @ ogive>>> 5K off the lands. I used 36.0grs of Varget, a CCI Br-2 primer. I was getting 3720f.p.s. and even though I had north of 4000rounds on this barrel, it would still shoot in excess of 10 shots at 1.125" @ 200 yards.. I would hope that your new rifle would be considerably more accurate at that range! I hope this helps..

 

[simon6ppc]

ye cheers pal,i don't know if i am doing some thing wrong or this remy just doesn't like balistic tips,ive used v.max,nosler and blitz kings with around 37 grains of h380.and they all seem to get flyers,ive used 6ppc for the last 15 years and may be ive been spoilt for accuracy,but i believe this remy should do at least around the 3 quarter inch at 100 yard..

 

[CatShooter]

Simon...

The 55 SBK and 53/55 V-Max are right at the raggity edge of stability in a 14" twist 22-250.

You need to drive them hard to get small groups, and inn some guns, they may never perform well.

I picked up a 22-250, 700 VSF in new condition - some groups with the 55gr SBK were tiny, some at lower velocity were unacceptable.

 

[simon6ppc]

ye that has been mentioned before,so you think send them a bit faster,ime using 37.5 grains of h380 at the moment with a 50 grain bullet.

 

[ShootDots]

H380 is a good powder BUT it is very temp sensitive. Bruce Hodgdon named it as he discovered the powder and it shot GREAT with (I believe BUT I may be wrong) 55gr bullets and 38.0grs.. Hence the name H380>>>Hodgdon 38.0gr for the 22-250.. I can also tell you that if you need the additional speed for better stability, try IMR 4007. I tried that BUT in my rifle, I did not get quite the accuracy>>>however, my 55grainers were traveling in excess of 3800f.p.s.!! I have never found that a 22-250 has been difficult to tune>>except with fast twist and heavy bullets>>>then it became a pain for me.

 

[pdog2062]

My savage model 12 would not settle down with the 50 grain v-max until I tried 8208 Powder,35.5 grains is maximum in July on the prairie dog towns but in cooler weather I can go 35.8.This load is HOT in my rifle but shoots great,in the .2 to.3

 

[LCazador]

I think your Remy doesn't like H-380 with ballistic tips. I put more than 3000 rounds thru a VSSF rifle, and then I found Varget. I thought the barrel was shot out when I made the switch to Varget and 55gr. Nosler ballistic tips. I was able to chase the lands with the 55's, and at plus max. velocity, I was able to shoot some very nice groups! Try something different!

 

[Witchhunter]

My new Remington 700 would not shoot Vmaxes at all and that is what I wanted to load for coyotes. After several hundred load workup rounds, I tried a Speer 52HP and then only at -.050 off. 35.5 Varget.

 

[A_Gamehog]

For what it's worth, my 1-14 22-250 would not shoot H380 very well also.
Powders to try with a 52 Grain Match to start with, Sierra or Hornady these are known to shoot well with 1-14 twist.


Winchester large Rifle with Varget or CCI BR4
Wolf Large rifle or Federal with Big game and 8208

Ramshot Big Game (My go-to powder now)
Varget
IMR8208
Reloader 15

Remington Brass
the 53 V-Max is too long for the 1-14 as is the 55 VMax.

 

[Joe C]

I have an old, 1981, Rem 788 in .22-250 so this may not apply. But, i shoot everything from 50-60g bullets in it with great results. I chased powders and charges for a while and one day tried 38 grains of H380. Problem solved. Rifle loves BT's, vmax, sierra, doesn't matter...but then maybe I'm just lucky.

 

[Powder monkey]

55 gr bt
35.5 h4895
fed 210m primer
winchester case
1 in 14 krieger 24"

 

[simon6ppc]

i just want to say thanks for all the replys,what a good group of lads you all are as ive only just joined this forum, the thing is with h380 i cant work out as it shoots the soft points so well being easily under half inch,varget in the uk is a no go at the moment,we cant get it any were,i can get vit 140 and may be one or two more,out of the 3 balistic tips i have tried noslers are the best, the only thing i can ask is what OAL do you remy shooters seat yours rounds at,the soft point i do at 2.350.

 

[357Mag]

Simon -

Cheers !

If you can make use of an explosive & accurate bullet, might I suggest trying Hornady 50gr SX ?
They're " old school ", but DO work very nicely ( on varmints ).

For the several 1-14 .22-250s I loaded for and shot, WW760 worked better than H-380.
I myself never saw a hint of temp sensitivity during many years use w/ WW760 ( H414 is the same stuff ).

For a VV powder, VV160 would be very close in performance & charge wt's, to WW760. These 2 powders would give you good load densities. I never got to try any in .22-250, but..... believe VV155 ( 24N64 ) would also work; perhaps providing even higher vel than can be obtained w/ VV160.

For a stick powder w/ great insensitivity to temperature variance, IMR4350 also lies in this same burn rate zone.

With all these powders mentioned, I found my best loads using LR Mag primers ( Fed LR Magnum Match, CCI LR Magnum ).


Best of luck in your endeavors !


With regards,
357Mag

 

[chino1969]

Simon -

Cheers !

If you can make use of an explosive & accurate bullet, might I suggest trying Hornady 50gr SX ?
They're " old school ", but DO work very nicely ( on varmints ).

For the several 1-14 .22-250s I loaded for and shot, WW760 worked better than H-380.
I myself never saw a hint of temp sensitivity during many years use w/ WW760 ( H414 is the same stuff ).

For a VV powder, VV160 would be very close in performance & charge wt's, to WW760. These 2 powders would give you good load densities. I never got to try any in .22-250, but..... believe VV155 ( 24N64 ) would also work; perhaps providing even higher vel than can be obtained w/ VV160.

For a stick powder w/ great insensitivity to temperature variance, IMR4350 also lies in this same burn rate zone.

With all these powders mentioned, I found my best loads using LR Mag primers ( Fed LR Magnum Match, CCI LR Magnum ).


Best of luck in your endeavors !


With regards,
357Mag

The 50 grn. Hornady SPX's are spectacular when loaded to .22-250 velocities. They were originally designed for .223 velocities <3000 ft/s. When you get them up to around 3500 ft/s+ they are clsoe to disintegrating. If they stay together long enough to connect with a critter, they explode on impact.

 

[WyleWD]

Simon -

For the several 1-14 .22-250s I loaded for and shot, WW760 worked better than H-380.
I myself never saw a hint of temp sensitivity during many years use w/ WW760 ( H414 is the same stuff ).

Best of luck in your endeavors !
With regards,
357Mag

Exactly my experience with the 22-250 using 50gr NBT or 50gr Vmax. Also I never had any issues with temp sensitivity with either 760 or 380. Also agree with the previous posters that my best luck with the 380 was at the higher end of the load range and used Rem 9 1/2 primers and Winchester brass. Good luck and let us know how it all turns out for ya. WD

 

[simon6ppc]

ye cheers pal,i have been using 37.5 grains of H380 with a 50 grain sxxp, ime not to sure how fast they are going but some of the foxes i have shot they have been going straight through them and they can some times run 40 yard before they stop the reason why i would rather use a v.max or nosler,but they shoot easily under half inch at hundred yards,the reason why ive been using them,cheers simon

 

[CatShooter]

The 50 grn. Hornady SPX's are spectacular when loaded to .22-250 velocities. They were originally designed for .223 velocities <3000 ft/s. When you get them up to around 3500 ft/s+ they are clsoe to disintegrating. If they stay together long enough to connect with a critter, they explode on impact.

I have had the 55gr SX bullets come apart in flight at 3550fps in a 14" twist. On live game, they are extremely fragile.

 

[killahog]

Simon, your rifle is trying to tell you something but your not listening. Stick with a 50G bullet. I have a 220 swift 1-14 twist that will shoot any 52G bullet but won't shoot any 55 Ballistic or Vmax .

 

[simon6ppc]

i tried today 39 grains of h380 with a 50 grain nosler, it shot brilliant 4 shot groups easily under half inch at 120 yard, the primers where slightly cratering and it was slightly on the hot side but looks like i have a break through, what do you guys class an average load for a 22.250 as hodgdon says i can put 41 grains with a 50 grain bullet.cheers simon