Remington?I've been looking to build a #2 rolling block in 218Bee for a long time but couldn't pass this up even though I really can't afford it. But I will get over that shortly and hope to enjoy this one for a long time. Also has a USMC scope mounted on it which is about 1/2 value of what I paid.
Read the op post again more carefullyRemington?
Distinctly shows the BSA stacked rifles on the side of the action… Martini indeed.
Lovely rifle and I am assuming the #2 Rem Roller is not pictured….
Had a Remington rolling block in 45-70 many years ago and it was a hoot to shoot… especially over long range.
Can you post a picture of the case?I picked up a J.K. Cloward built Martini in 218 Bee Improved yesterday. Printed on the barrel "J.K. Cloward 218 Bee Improved" Any ideas what Improved might be? The gentleman I got it from was only able to locate one piece of fired brass and it is significantly different than a Mashburn in the shoulder area. I hope to load some standard 218 in the morning and depending on the weather fireform a couple pieces of brass just to confirm that it is correct. Google mostly tells me that 218 Improved is a Mashburn and there is very little info on any of the other 218 wildcats either on the net or in the books I have. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.
if you can please send me a picture.Might be an Ackley Improved version, shoulder further back than Mashburn. I have cases for both versions if you need a look see.
Thanks for the picture. The gentleman I picked this up from has a Mashburn and that case is significantly different.your case is approximately .060 shorter to the shoulder than published mashburn data. I believe this picture is of a mashburn bee case. doesn't really matter what it is called, once you get enough well fired cases, you can send them off to have custom dies made. I love my martinis. mine are all cadets, I think yours with the thumb screw is a converted rim fire action. the side walls of the rimfire action are typically thicker than the cadet model.
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my massburn print dimension shows, to the shoulder 1.099. includes the .061 rim. if you are looking at prints, make sure it includes the rim. neck length .1574 .. I never liked that short of a neck. on my killer bees, I had a new reamer ground so I would have more neck to work with. I like your case. I think it's got good dimensions. the only thing that would make it better would be, if it was a .20 caliber.What I have found thus far:
Length to shoulder:
Ackley Improved- .93
Mashburn- .921
Mine- 1.04
218 ICL Bobcat- 1.023
Neck length:
Ackley Improved- .22
Mashburn- .258
Mine- .223
ICL Bobcat- .280
In my reading I have found reference to: 218 Bee Improved ( which is what my gun is stamped)
218 Ackley Bee
218 Mashburn
218 Mashburn Improved (are these 2 the same?)
218 Leech Bee
218 Leech Bee Improved (are these 2 the same?)
218 I.C.L. Improved Bee (same as 218 ICL Bobcat?)
218 HeeBee
Here's what my .218 Bee improved looks like next to a factory cartridge. My barrel is unmarked. I didn't know was something other than a .218 until I shot it the first time.Thank you, that would be appreciated.