215 gr Match Hybrid Target

[Hillhunter]

has anyone tried these in their 308? BC looks very good , but i suppose a vast recoil as well.I would be interested to know what powder was used and what speed you would expect to get . I think i seen somewhere Brian Litz used them, cannot remember where i seen it.

 

[Canadian bushman]

I use them.
Ive run them with rl 17, varget, cfe223, and h4350
Rl17 gave me the best speed (2730 @ max ) but bad accuracy
4350 is my goto load
I run 2600-2610 with 48gns
Yes recoil is increased and hard to control over long strings.

 

[Down South]

I've run them with 4350 as well with good results but you have to use a long throat with a drop tube for powder. Most are using Varget. Vertical has always been the problem with them, if you can hold tight vertical they are great in the wind.

 

[Joe Salt]

If you have problems with vertical try seating them deeper, Once you have a decent load play with seating depth. I know the 230 shoot well.

Joe Salt

 

[Alex Wheeler]

How are you guys doing with your 10 twists?

 

[Hillhunter]

If you have problems with vertical try seating them deeper, Once you have a decent load play with seating depth. I know the 230 shoot well.

Joe Salt

Joe is this correct that deeper seating will reduce vertical , not saying you are wrong but I tried this before with other brands and it didn't seem to work,

 

[Joe Salt]

Hillhunter yes and don't be afraid to go back 125 thousandths, If they don't shoot jammed then you only have one way to go. Back!

Joe Salt

 

[Trevor60]

If you have problems with vertical try seating them deeper, Once you have a decent load play with seating depth. I know the 230 shoot well.

Joe Salt

Can you clarify which direction deeper is... deeper into the chamber or deeper into the case.

Thank you

 

[Joe Salt]

trevor60 I think that says seat them deeper, and I think [seat] means into the case or maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years. And if you are jamming them you can only go so far before you push the bullet back in the case. So go with the neck tension you have and jam, then there is only one way to go from there! got it.

Joe salt

 

[Trevor60]

thanks

no i just wanted to make sure i was on the same page

Trevor

 

[swed6.5]

I watched a guy with a TRgun with winchester brass and h4350 and 10 twist, shoot a 199?X at 1K, when my open gun 7mm was getten blown all around he said recoil was more but he loved the way they shoot!

 

[barefooter56]

Hillhunter,
What range(s) are you competing at ?
Phil Hoham
Berger Bullet tech

 

[Hillhunter]

Hillhunter,
What range(s) are you competing at ?
Phil Hoham
Berger Bullet tech

Phil,
I am shooting FTR anywhere from 300 yards to 1000

 

[Hillhunter]

I've run them with 4350 as well with good results but you have to use a long throat with a drop tube for powder. Most are using Varget. Vertical has always been the problem with them, if you can hold tight vertical they are great in the wind.

Does anyone know how much varget they are using and what speeds they are getting ?

 

[jsthntn247]

I've run them with 4350 as well with good results but you have to use a long throat with a drop tube for powder. Most are using Varget. Vertical has always been the problem with them, if you can hold tight vertical they are great in the wind.

Does anyone know how much varget they are using and what speeds they are getting ?

42 grains and 2520

 

[paulT]

Plan to try the 215g Hybrid in my FTR rifle, do you guys also point this bullet also how much neck tension are you guys using with this bullet and Lapua palma brass.

 

[barefooter56]

Hillhunter,
The guys that made the recoil comment are correct. The Sinclair F-Class team went to the 185 grain Juggernaut for that reason. Getting beat up at a match leads to fatigue and that trumps any BC advantage of the Bullet. BC can be a good thing BUT it is not the "be all or end all". Try the 185 grain target VLD too. The fast twist you have (1-10) for the 215 will make a big difference in the stability of the bullet as it reaches the trans-sonic speed at the target. I am not trying to tell you the 215 will not work for your application . Just that sometimes going a little lighter and reducing felt recoil will make you more comfortable and able to break you shots consistently during a match.
Ask me how I know. LOL! Hope this helps!
Take care,
Phil Hoham
Berger Bullet tech.

 

[XTR]

My biggest problem with the 215s in F-TR is managing the horizontal stringing from the recoil. I never really had vertical problems with them but I could get close to an MOA of horizontal in a no wind.

It is a great bullet, but in an F-TR rifle shooting 20 shot strings off of a bipod it is very difficult to manage consistently

 

[JamesnTN]

Phil,

I like to lead ya off topic just a second.

Are there any plans or talk of doing a heavy tactical bullet in the 6 mm and 6.5 mm bullets in the future? The 6 and 6.5 are really gaining popularity with tactical shooters and it be nice to have a bullet that isn't so sensitive to seating depths?

 

[BCoates]

Phil,

I like to lead ya off topic just a second.

Are there any plans or talk of doing a heavy tactical bullet in the 6 mm and 6.5 mm bullets in the future? The 6 and 6.5 are really gaining popularity with tactical shooters and it be nice to have a bullet that isn't so sensitive to seating depths?

The 6mm 105 Hybrid or the 6.5mm 140 Hybrid won't work? The only problem I see with those bullets is they might be jumping alot at magazine length.