2023 NRA HP rules .... Suppressors in AR Tactical

[XTR]

3.16.1 Compensators, Muzzle Brakes, and Sound Suppressors.
Sound suppressors are authorized for use in AR Tactical Rifle competi-
tion provisionally for three (3) years commencing February 1, 2023 and
ending February 1, 2026. Note: Competitors are reminded that they
are responsible for obeying all laws pertaining to owning and use of
suppressors.”


While the rest of the site is preoccupied with the new wording regarding F-Open rests and what it means regarding one bag or another this is abouit as close to earth shattering. as allowing optics on Service Rifles. (Now can's on SRs would really be a leap) MD's stand buy, I have a feeling this is going to make AR Tactical the biggest class on the line, if it's not already.

 

[dcali]

Suppressors should be legal and encouraged in all kinds of high power. That's excellent news.

The trouble with AR Tactical is the targets... they're too big.

 

[XTR]

Suppressors should be legal and encouraged in all kinds of high power. That's excellent news.

The trouble with AR Tactical is the targets... they're too big.

Yea, I agree, but there are a lot of folks who get into that game. They need to eventually change the target, I see people (ok, the same people over and over) shoot 200-20‘s with pretty good regularity, and that’s shooting the 223s. Takes a 600-50 to be competitive.

 

[davidjoe]

Suppressors are another layer of ear protection and should definitely be allowed.

XTR, is there a stated weight limit, and also wouldn’t it be a good idea to stretch these to 1,000 instead of the express limitation for 600?

 

[karrarararararar]

Suppressors are another layer of ear protection and should definitely be allowed.

XTR, is there a stated weight limit, and also wouldn’t it be a good idea to stretch these to 1,000 instead of the express limitation for 600?

14 pound weight limit. While it may be a mid-range rifle for the NRA, we've had a couple shoot long range at CMP nationals.

Is the prohibition of sleds new?

Magazine – Standard 10-, 20-, or 30- round magazines must be used. Reduced capacity magazines and “sleds” are prohibited.

Edit: found my answer, not new

 

[XTR]

14 pound weight limit. While it may be a mid-range rifle for the NRA, we've had a couple shoot long range at CMP nationals.

Is the prohibition of sleds new?

Magazine – Standard 10-, 20-, or 30- round magazines must be used. Reduced capacity magazines and “sleds” are prohibited.

Edit: found my answer, not new

It has been noted more than once that the Class rules look cobbled together and don’t necessarily make sense. Some stuff has been fixed. Initially all ARs were the same class, large frame and 223s. Scope magnification has been tweaked to more closely match what is availabl.

The sleds thing has been around since it was provisional. It’s my guess that at some point there was an intent to require mag feeding, thus no feed sleds and consequently no long bullets, but the only place the NRA allows a loaded mag is rapids in XTC. There were a lot of safety concerns and objections from some quarters over the idea of mag feeding in slow fire, so mag feed never got into the rules, and people shoot over mag length bullets.

 

[Warren Dean]

 

[Taildrag15X]

The way things are going where are you going to be able to use or even possess an AR, let alone a suppressor.

 

[Warren Dean]

Wait, what happened to?
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Diversity, man...diversity.

 

[Warren Dean]

3.16.1 Compensators, Muzzle Brakes, and Sound Suppressors.
Sound suppressors are authorized for use in AR Tactical Rifle competi-
tion provisionally for three (3) years commencing February 1, 2023 and
ending February 1, 2026. Note: Competitors are reminded that they
are responsible for obeying all laws pertaining to owning and use of
suppressors.”

This is going to put people that cannot own a suppressor at a disadvantage. I thought the main reason for the rule about no suppressors was to make the playing field level? This is going to get weird.... LOL

 

[davidjoe]

There were a lot of safety concerns and objections from some quarters over the idea of mag feeding in slow fire, so mag feed never got into the rules, and people shoot over mag length bullets.

Less than a week ago, I took out and shot mine, hoping for its inclusion in a big match coming up. I reserved long hand loaded 80’s intended for a bolt gun, for the reason that I expected a jam. Factory federal loaded with Berger 73’s shot great.

Sure enough, I dropped a single fed 80 into the chamber and hit the release, hoping for a momentum jammed full battery, but no luck.

If the rounds had to be Mag fed, I’m not sure anything could make it to 1,000. My gun’s throat poses doubts, even dropping single rounds.

The way the rule is framed, it’s easy to argue that the gun class per se, is limited and doesn’t have any match eligibility for NRA rifle match inclusion in long range.

 

[Hohn]

Yea, I agree, but there are a lot of folks who get into that game. They need to eventually change the target, I see people (ok, the same people over and over) shoot 200-20‘s with pretty good regularity, and that’s shooting the 223s. Takes a 600-50 to be competitive.

Who? Where? When?

It’s not exactly cake to be getting a 223 to 200-20x even on a sling face. Not with a 20” barrel, 15x max, and a Harris-style bipod with squeeze bag. We’ve had some good shooters in our club dabble in AR-TAC and nobody is posting 20x X-counts, even at 300y.

 

[karrarararararar]

This is going to put people that cannot own a suppressor at a disadvantage. I thought the main reason for the rule about no suppressors was to make the playing field level? This is going to get weird.... LOL

You're shooting off a bipod at the big target. You're not going to lose a match because you didn't have a suppressor.

 

[karrarararararar]

It has been noted more than once that the Class rules look cobbled together and don’t necessarily make sense. Some stuff has been fixed. Initially all ARs were the same class, large frame and 223s. Scope magnification has been tweaked to more closely match what is availabl.

I never understood why they went 15x max on scopes. 16x max would have taken advantage of the plentiful amount of 4-16x scopes and made more sense

 

[Hohn]

I never understood why they went 15x max on scopes. 16x max would have taken advantage of the plentiful amount of 4-16x scopes and made more sense

Yeah, it’s one of those arbitrary lines that I guess you have to draw somewhere. I’m not sure you could draw it anywhere that a similar criticism wouldn’t make sense.

 

[Warren Dean]

You're shooting off a bipod at the big target. You're not going to lose a match because you didn't have a suppressor.

You're shooting off a bipod at the big target. You're not going to lose a match because you didn't have a suppressor.

That's not the point. It's about an even playing field.

 

[karrarararararar]

That's not the point. It's about an even playing field.

It's about bringing in new shooters. If they wanted an even playing field, there would be more restrictions. Look at the scores that are already shot without them. Suppressors aren't going to change that.

 

[Warren Dean]

It's about bringing in new shooters. If they wanted an even playing field, there would be more restrictions. Look at the scores that are already shot without them. Suppressors aren't going to change that.

Well, you are welcome to your opinion. But your argument doesn't hold water for me. I am not going to argue with you. Peace, out.

 

[karrarararararar]

Well, you are welcome to your opinion. But your argument doesn't hold water for me. I am not going to argue with you. Peace, out.

Cool story bro. If you lose to someone with a suppressor, shoot better next time. Or go shoot service rifle or palma you want a level playing field.

 

[XTR]

Who? Where? When?

It’s not exactly cake to be getting a 223 to 200-20x even on a sling face. Not with a 20” barrel, 15x max, and a Harris-style bipod with squeeze bag. We’ve had some good shooters in our club dabble in AR-TAC and nobody is posting 20x X-counts, even at 300y.

Details on AR Tactical in NRA High Power (Midrange)

500/600 Impressive

forum.accurateshooter.com

See my post #224 in this thread. That was a couple of yrs ago. A couple of posts down I posted the winners results from the state match earlier that yr.

200-12, 198-12, 200-8 200-16, 200-16, 200-20 for a 600-52 on the last day and an 1198-84 total.


As for scopes, originally the limit was 12x, remember this is the HP committee, scopes are not their thing.