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.20 VarTarg or .221 Fireball?

Hello, I have been researching this topic and have read some similar threads already, but wanted to get fresh opinions with a more current perspective. Many of these threads are older and I believe perhaps outdated based on the current state of component availability.

First, I will describe my use case. I do not have varmints to hunt, so this would be for target use only. My preferred yardage would be 200 yards. I do not compete, so this would be for pleasure only, but accuracy is paramount and I would be shooting score targets.

I do not like recoil or noise, so I am looking for the least amount of both possible. For comparison, I primarily shoot Rimfire benchrest, and that is the amount of recoil and noise I like (nearly none.) I am not competing nor walking around hunting, I can use a heavier rifle to help minimize recoil even with these small cases. For the noise, I am seriously considering getting my first suppressor to use for this rifle. I have never owned one for several reasons, but it seems some of the hoops to jump through have gotten a bit more manageable. I also know that over the past several years our local environmental conditions have changed, and we now shoot in the wind nearly year round.

I don’t know what action I would use, but a Savage seems likely, mainly due to availability and the ability to buy pre-fit barrels. I do not mind a single shot, or at least single loading in a repeater. I would love a target stock with a 3” forend, but they seem much more available for Remington actions.

So, I am intrigued by the .20 VarTarg for my uses, as it seems to be inherently very accurate and very low on recoil. I do consider cases to be a potential issue. I do not want to make them myself, so would be at the mercy of others by having to buy them pre-made. The next point which has me leaning away from the VarTarg is bullet availability. It seems you can get Varmint bullets (V-Max and possibly Sierra Blitzkings, but no real target bullets.) I know Bergers might exist in theory, but it seems they are unobtainum. Dies for .20 VarTarg are very expensive. Barrels seem to be fairly easy to acquire, even though it’s a wildcat. Other .20 caliber issues like finding suitable note guides could also be a factor.

The .221 Fireball is intriguing because of greater availability of brass and bullets. I consider Lapua to be perhaps permanently unavailable, but at least Nosler seems to be available. There are similar varmint bullets like 40 and 50 grain V-Maxes, but would also have easy access to match grade 52 and 53 grain bullets. Dies seem less expensive, and the other components should be similar. Barrels actually seem less common, unfortunately, even though this is a “factory” round.

So which should I go for, .20 VarTarg or .221 Fireball? Any opinions and advice are welcomed. And then once I figure that out, I can start looking at all of the parts I need to actually start building this rifle.
 
Why not get both? I have one of each and both are very accurate. If I were to have only one I suppose I would go with the 20v/t ....but I varmint hunt with mine. For target only out to 200 the .221 might be more versatile as there seem to be a better variety and weight of bullets to choose from. I don't think you would be unhappy any way you choose.
 
I have a 221FB varmint rifle and it's a ton of fun to shoot for all of the reasons that you mention. I don't have anywhere to shoot beyond 100 yards though. It has a bull barrel and I can shoot it continuously without needing to let it cool down.
 
What ever you decide, with either of these two I would buy enough brass to last the barrel up front. Perhaps bast your decision on which one you can get enough brass for right now. If your strictly against forming cases I would absolutely do this if you decide to go 20vt but the 221 isn’t much better in reality. I don’t have a 20vt but I have a couple each 17 and 221 fireballs. I would go the 221 route again in a heartbeat mostly for all the reasons you mentioned in your post. I could never talk myself into the 20vt mostly because I’ve realized I don’t really enjoy brass prep or case forming and I didn’t want to HAVE to rely on someone else forming cases for me.

I would also not mess with the savage route. I have one set up in a benchrest type gun and while it’s nice there are just so many great custom actions out there with better features and better aftermarket accessories! And the prefit market on rem style actions is probably better as well. Good luck with your choice sir! Either way you will have a fun rifle and a great cartridge!
 
Brass is currently a huge issue and IMHO it won't get any better. I would go .223 and use reduced loads and use a suppressor if necessary. I'd stick with a Remington action because BR stocks are available along with great triggers. Smart thinking to use 3" fore-end BR stocks -they make all the difference in the world. I do SR BR with 6 PPC, 30 BR, and .222. I had a .221 FB 700 Classic and was not impressed. 10 years ago I would have advised .222 -but now even that brass is scarce. Unless you don't mind forming cartridges from one headstamp to another, your choices are much limited now and not any better in the future.
 
Making Fireball isn't difficult. There's a member or two here that make and sell Fireball and VT brass. If you want one or the other, just go for it.
 
You can't go wrong with either. These are both the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

Sold my 20VT 30years ago in a moment of cranial flatulence and still suffer from sellers remorse. Sierra Blitzkings are magical in either 32 or 39gr. 12 twist will stabilize the 39s, but will not stabilize Hornady or Nosler 40gr. It's not worth going with faster than 12 to shoot heavier bullets at 200yds.

It was the most accurate rifle I ever owned, and I shoot 6BR under 1/4moa all day long. The VT would basically just put everything through the same hole with zero recoil, almost no noise and no barrel heating.

Either can be formed from 223 with a little effort, and the brass just lasts forever. Start with LC NATO brass for consistency and cut to length with a $30 chop saw from China Freight. Redding form/trim dies are available for both. The beauty of these lie in the efficiency of the small case. Don't take the lazy route with 223 capacity variants.

Do it and enjoy.
 
Suggest you research the 20P, brass is easy to make tho time consuming with an almost unlimited supply of 223/556 brass. If you put a muzzle brake on the 20P, or 223 for that matter, virtually no recoil, use a suppressor and they becomes a "mouse fart". I use a 30 cal suppressor at times on my 204R and 20P's, everyone at the range calls the "report" when fired a "mouse fart".
 
I have a bunch of different 20's, mostly based on 221FB brass which I truly love, but with the current brass market realities, and your intended use, I would recommend the 222. It's a great target round, brass is available and there is tons of load data available. In fact you can probably pick up a great used 222 custom target rifle for a very favorable price at Shooter's Corner or in the ads here and there. Have fun!
 
First off, get off your bum and get a suppressor. You don’t like noise, you will wish you had one years ago.
Now you can address everything else.
On a budget? Savage a one and done makes all but the most picky folks smile. Get a ground recoil lug, throw the stamped one in the washer bucket.
There are Remage barrel makers out there. However the price of a donor action is right with a custom. You do the shopping and sort that out.
FYI I have custom and rack type rigs, so I am no biased and won’t say one is better than the other.

221 or 20VT/20-221. Brass is the main PITA. I got mad, bought dies and virgin brass and went to work. I will never have a supply issue again with that parent case.
There are some here as mentioned that should be able to fix you up with brass. Don’t want milsurp, see if they would use stuff you supply maybe. Imho virgin is the only way to fly.

I had a 221 years ago, don’t care for another. I highly suggest a 222 over the 221.

The 20-221 family, source your dies, they are out there but can be hard to locate at times. I found my 20VT to not be picky. I only run 32-34 grain bullets at speed. I don’t crowd it or waste energy on anything heavier myself. I go to a bigger case for the 40’s and up, sorry I am a speed freak. There are those that say they get same velocity from the little case as the 204, one way to get there, pressure. There is no magic to it.
 
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in my opinion 20-222 is the best of both worlds i'm a long time squirrel shooter it doesn't
matter . 222 rem is great. the fireball case is more expensive and does less . i've shot both vartarg
and fireball are great . squirrels don't care . 222and 223 are better in every way . except for being not as sexy. other that .the sound i can't tell the differences not very state you can have silencer . good luck
buddy you can't go wrong with any of them just some are better than others.
 
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I too, from an academic standpoint say go 222 or 20/222.
Afa only a 12 tw....DON'T, 11 ALL the way. Maybe give up 6, yes six fps but then able to stabilize ANYthing 40 and under.
If l were to do that, l would go 10tw. Everything to gain n nuttin to lose....JIC a long 45gr becomes available.
Just a mention l haven't read here yet, a bushing die will get you from 224 cal to 20 cal w no sweat. I think a 20/222 is called a "Duster". I don't remember if it is any shorter than parent 222.
 
in my opinion 20-222 is the best of both worlds i'm a long time squirrel shooter it doesn't
matter . 222 rem is great. the fireball case is more expensive and does less . i've shot both vartarg
and fireball are great . squirrels don't care . 222and 223 are better in every way . except for being not as sexy. other that .the sound i can't tell the differences not very state you can have silencer . good luck
buddy you can't go wrong with any of them just some are better than others.
No Squirrel for dinner tonight

Danny
 
Had a few 221's, and loved them, but if building something to fit what your after I'd choose a 8 to 10 twist twist 222 Rem . Maybe blow the shoulder out to 30 degrees.
 
I have both the 20VT and 221FB, and for what you describe you want the rifle for, I'd go with the Furball for the reasons already mentioned. I varmint hunt with both mine, and for that pursuit, I prefer the 20VT for it's faster velocity/flatter trajectory. But as you already know, the .224" bullet selection is better than .204", so the 221 may be a better choice for you.

As far as accuracy in both/either:





Both targets shot with Nosler seconds from my BR Pivot portable bench.
 
Ya know Rick your FB really doesn't appear to shoot very well at all, heck, in five shots you couldn't even hit the bullseye one time. Tell ya what, I'm feeling overly generous today so I'll give you five hundred bucks for that 221FB of yours so you don't have to be so embarrassed in owning something that clearly shoots so poorly. I don't know you but it pains me to see even a stranger suffer throw life owning a rifle that obviously shoots horribly. ;)

All joking aside, for the rest of my life if I never shot a group that was any worse than any of those three I'm pretty sure I could live with that. Nice chootin.
 
It appears that you want accuracy, available brass, and available componants.

I'd suggest you go 222 and suppress it. Or learn that noise isn't bad. A heavy gun will mitigate recoil.

Good brass is available, great bullets thru Berger and customs, and it is a proven accurate rig. Try the Shooter's Corner, Lake Hoptacong NJ for a used rig. Lots of older rigs avaialble right now.
 
My 20 Vartarg is very loud. I think it is the high pressure loads that create the sharp crack. More powder just adds boom underneath the crack. If you want less noise, you’ll have better luck downloading to much lower pressures than are standard.
 
It appears that you want accuracy, available brass, and available componants.

I'd suggest you go 222 and suppress it. Or learn that noise isn't bad. A heavy gun will mitigate recoil.

Good brass is available, great bullets thru Berger and customs, and it is a proven accurate rig. Try the Shooter's Corner, Lake Hoptacong NJ for a used rig. Lots of older rigs avaialble right now.
Where is a guy to find .204 cal Berger bullets, these days?
 

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