Thought I would share this as I just started testing loads for my lil cooper 38 in 20vt, although not quite as impressive as some of Rick from Oregon's that I have seen!!! This was 5 shots with AA1680 and 32gr BK @ 100yds. I had many others with AA2200, H4198 and RL7 that were impressive also(2s and 3s) This little cartridge has me quite excited to say the least, so much so I sent a 17 rem in a Cooper 21 to be rebarreled to a 20VT.