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20 tactical troubles

custom chamber needs custom brass

here are some pictures of one of my custom projects. I call it a rimmed vartarg, It's is of similar dimensions to the vartarg. but has a rim and is wider at the base. I start with 360DW brass and, well, you can see how it ends up. It's on a martini action and I also struggled with some case head separation until I figured out the head space.

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Ok gun is shooting great now. Brought to a different gunsmith that was able to get working on it sooner. The first gunsmith used a go gauge and 5 pieces of tape and stopped at that point suggesting that it needed lathe work. Quoted $150. 2 hrs? Long story short he’s not very motivated in my opinion and I’m not going to offer someone money more than twice. Local guy I’m a local guy given 10K in the last three years can’t do a guy a favor and get it done. Drove 1-1/2 hours to someone else . This guy drove to someone he knows who had a Tac 20 go gauge 80 miles. Charged me $60 for that $180 total. Headspace was 44 thousandths long. Turned down barrel shank and whatever you call the internals of the barrel and barrel in front of recoil lug. The 20 tactical etching that was engraved in the barrel is now upside down. You can tell me a wildcat takes custom brass and it does but it still needs to be in the ballpark!
 
So, you had a 20 Tactical Long.

hammerdown, I am not convinced that you know how to neck down 223 brass for a custom fit on your chamber. Ask questions till you do understand.

All of us that shoot wild cats had to go through learning to set headspace on our cases, pushing shoulders back to the proper length at one time or another.
 
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Don’t take this wrong, everyone here for the most part will help you. Things that are typed are some times taken wrong.

You bought a used wildcat. May or may not be marked properly.
There could have been various issues with the original chamber. Any easy fix more times than not is to run a reamer in deeper.
I can’t fault the seller, as I am a rifle loonie as well. Old projects with bad notes often get forgotten in the chase.

This should be a lesson to all to not ass-u-me(assume)when buying a rifle that has been rechambered or regardless. Falls into today’s bulletin with the gent loading title group rather than Varget.
 
I'm glad you got it shooting, interestingly .044 is about the difference between 20p and 20t in the neck shoulder junction on my two reamer prints. I'm am certainly not going to try and guess as to why it was what ever it was. I can only hope that you did learn something out of this, I know I did.
 
I can say I have learned a few things. And I do understand the whole bump the shoulder little by little until the bolt barely closes. I didn’t have a tool to take the bolt apart to pull the ejector out for less resistance. Did buy a kleinendorst tool for better maintenance and for the next time if it ever happens I decide to get a 700 rebarreled. Was in a rush to get it simplified to put into use. Headed to South Dakota Friday for prairie dog hunt. For what it’s worth my gunsmith wondered why it would be longer than Sami spec. A bit easier to lower the die to shell holder and size away? Isn’t that the reason for mass production of FL sizing dies? Maybe part of the wildcat club is having to fiddle around to feel more custom? Either way put the bullet up close to rifling. I wanted the caliber for the custom barrel as much as the caliber which I’ll like also. Not way more than my 204 223 22-250. I’ll stop at Varminting calibers I own. I myself have too many other worries in life that I’d rather not spend excessive amounts of time on hobby hunting rifle 101. Glad it all came together in time. Just chasing around and spending more money. Please don’t get me wrong I do appreciate the knowledge on the site. Don’t need to be talked down to by the rifle god with nothing better to do!
 
I can say I have learned a few things. And I do understand the whole bump the shoulder little by little until the bolt barely closes. I didn’t have a tool to take the bolt apart to pull the ejector out for less resistance. Did buy a kleinendorst tool for better maintenance and for the next time if it ever happens I decide to get a 700 rebarreled. Was in a rush to get it simplified to put into use. Headed to South Dakota Friday for prairie dog hunt. For what it’s worth my gunsmith wondered why it would be longer than Sami spec. A bit easier to lower the die to shell holder and size away? Isn’t that the reason for mass production of FL sizing dies? Maybe part of the wildcat club is having to fiddle around to feel more custom? Either way put the bullet up close to rifling. I wanted the caliber for the custom barrel as much as the caliber which I’ll like also. Not way more than my 204 223 22-250. I’ll stop at Varminting calibers I own. I myself have too many other worries in life that I’d rather not spend excessive amounts of time on hobby hunting rifle 101. Glad it all came together in time. Just chasing around and spending more money. Please don’t get me wrong I do appreciate the knowledge on the site. Don’t need to be talked down to by the rifle god with nothing better to do!

I hope I didn't come across as condescending. That wasn't my intent and I apologize if that was the way it was received. I'm glad everything is getting worked out. 20s are just too much fun; after shooting my 20VT, I'm a wholehearted convert.
 
For what it’s worth my gunsmith wondered why it would be longer than Sami spec.

A little insight as to what may have happened. When I first learned how to chamber barrels by a very highly respected smith & BR shooter, I learned a few things. He had several wildcats of ether his own design or wildcats that were not mainstream. When he would chamber a barrel, there were no go gauges or no-go gauges. The procedure for chambering was to take a fired piece of brass from another rifle of the same cartridge, run it through some modified dies to get it back to "spec". Then that piece of brass was used to closely fit the chamber head space for a GO gauge. A piece of tape or two on the back and it became a NO-Go if you wanted. Keeping in mind you have a crush as well. This would produce a nice tight chamber without the use of go, no-go's, but it was specific to that brass and that chamber. You could then do one of two things to fit your brass to the chamber. Ether slightly jam the bullets keeping the case head against the bolt when firing, or if necking down, size the neck for a snug fit in the chamber. This gave you nice fire formed brass, but you would not really be able to swap that brass out with another rifle unless the same piece of brass was used to set the head space. Over the years he used a couple wildcats on regular occasion and they varied in chamber size. I've seen some vary by 0.050" or so over the years. Still didn't really matter. The guys that had them built were educated on how to form the brass, or the gunsmith did it for them. Not sure when they started using go, no-go's, but the guy I learned from started building rifles in the late 50's.

I have several rifles that were done this way and they usually work just fine with FL or Neck dies. You just need to get them correctly fire formed first. After that, with the proper dies, it's no different than any other sizing procedure.

I still use the intended brass as a guide. I just chambered up a 6br barrel with a new piece of Lapua brass. Nice snug fit and double checked with a G0, snug fit, No-go, was a No-go. Turned out very nice and it's a shooter!

Funny story, I later worked in another gun shop and one of these wildcat rifles from the guy I learned from came in for inspection. I knew exactly what it was, but before I found out about it, the owner of the shop took the rifle, used an incorrect head space gauge and told the customer that it had out of spec head space. Continued to "set" the head space with the wrong reamer, and wrecked a perfectly good wildcat barrel. The guy ended up with a double shoulder angle because he didn't check to see what cartridge it was. Simple chamber cast, or he could have asked me because I knew what reamer the original guy always used. Solution was a simple education of sizing of wildcat brass. No work needed to be done. Wish I had one of those pieces of brass after it got fired!
 
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