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20 Practical Bolt Gun Project - Which Savage Action, need help

TheCZKid

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Back in 2018 I purchased a used AR upper in 20 Practical with a 24" White Oak Armament stainless bull barrel, and all the dies as a package. I have been loading for it and have a decent 40 grain Vmax load which shoots maybe .375" or .5" groups if I do my part. Been working on better 32 Vmax load (currently trying to beat .5" to .6"), but wondering if a bolt gun would make for a more accurate format than my AR? Intended use is for sage rat, coyotes, and hopefully some day prairie dog hunt (bucket list).

I have built AR's, but never a bolt gun. I don't have a huge budget, so I was thinking of using a small chassis Savage action maybe that was a 223, buying the 20P barrel, and head-spacing it myself. For the stock I'd probably use a Boyds, and then glass and pillar bed it. I've done that on bolt guns, so I feel confident I can work on this new project.

It appears most folks on this site have more money than I can invest. I won't be buying a custom-shop made Remington 700 style action, and all that. I have some Savage rifles which have proven very accurate. I like that they can be built by myself. The floating bolt face works well, so I don's see the need to blueprint the action and bolt face. I figure the main cost will be a really good barrel.

Now the first question might be, which Savage action is correct for this project? I see Long Shank, Short Shank (I assume this is the one I want for 223 / 20 Practical), then large and small diameter, and center feed or stagger feed. Then there's the model 10 or 110, 11 and 12 designation. I really can't figure out this stuff, and so I'm stuck in even looking for any used guns with a correct action.

Ideally, I'd think it was great to build a 20 Practical that could take a removable magazine, like a Pmag or other, but I don't know if there is such an animal. I thought of looking for a used "donor gun" and change out the barrel, and so on, but I don't know which guns out there have the right action. From what I read, you don't want the Savage Axis as it's not good to build from.
 
I have built 2 guns from the savage model 11 design. One is in 20 prac the other is a 6x45.
These were small shank, 4.4 spacing and centerfeed detachable magazines. Top bolt release. (a 243 and 7mm08 is what they were originally) Easy DIY JOB TRUST ME. Contact James at Northland shooters supply. He is great to deal with and can and will answer all your questions, I used one of his criterion barrels on my 20 practical. Shoots tiny groups! Pm me as i might be able to answer some of your questions.
 
I built a 20P on a R783 action, which uses the barrel nut design. The R783 223 pencil barrel gun was around $400 out the door in 2019. I bought the 783 with the intention of doing a barrel swap, so.. I have a couple loads worked up and can use the oem magazine. It's a PITA to single feed the 783 action due to the small ejection port.

If I had a mulligan on this decision, I would use a savage action for ease of single feeding which I prefer. I used a Ruger RAR action (barrel nut design as well) for a 6x45 build, basically the same issue as the 783, small ejection port, but both rifles as built shoot better than I can.
 
The answer is none of the above.

For a budget build on a factory action I would choose Howa. More modern features straight out of the box, way smoother bolt cycling due to better bolt timing, and structurally much stronger than any Remington or Savage action. Factory Howa triggers are great with a simple spring swap. Really no need to worry about doing anything else to the action other than trigger springs. If you don’t mind the trigger at its lowest adjustment point then the factory Howa needs no modifications at all.
 
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Back in 2018 I purchased a used AR upper in 20 Practical with a 24" White Oak Armament stainless bull barrel, and all the dies as a package. I have been loading for it and have a decent 40 grain Vmax load which shoots maybe .375" or .5" groups if I do my part. Been working on better 32 Vmax load (currently trying to beat .5" to .6"), but wondering if a bolt gun would make for a more accurate format than my AR? Intended use is for sage rat, coyotes, and hopefully some day prairie dog hunt (bucket list).

I have built AR's, but never a bolt gun. I don't have a huge budget, so I was thinking of using a small chassis Savage action maybe that was a 223, buying the 20P barrel, and head-spacing it myself. For the stock I'd probably use a Boyds, and then glass and pillar bed it. I've done that on bolt guns, so I feel confident I can work on this new project.

It appears most folks on this site have more money than I can invest. I won't be buying a custom-shop made Remington 700 style action, and all that. I have some Savage rifles which have proven very accurate. I like that they can be built by myself. The floating bolt face works well, so I don's see the need to blueprint the action and bolt face. I figure the main cost will be a really good barrel.

Now the first question might be, which Savage action is correct for this project? I see Long Shank, Short Shank (I assume this is the one I want for 223 / 20 Practical), then large and small diameter, and center feed or stagger feed. Then there's the model 10 or 110, 11 and 12 designation. I really can't figure out this stuff, and so I'm stuck in even looking for any used guns with a correct action.

Ideally, I'd think it was great to build a 20 Practical that could take a removable magazine, like a Pmag or other, but I don't know if there is such an animal. I thought of looking for a used "donor gun" and change out the barrel, and so on, but I don't know which guns out there have the right action. From what I read, you don't want the Savage Axis as it's not good to build from.

I have the 20 Practical reamer and have some 10 twist blanks coming if you want to do a Savage prefit. Mine are $269 for the stainless varmint. I could also make a heavier contour if you like.


I would also consider getting a Mack Bros action which is Remage compatible (which I also have). Remington is MUCH better choice for upgrading. Way better triggers and stocks.


I would suggest that you could be $575 + $269 is a very reasonable price. The barrel nut is $39.
 
The 12FV would be my first choice in 4.4" spacing, but any short action with 4.4" spacing works. The RB SAV2 trigger will only get you down to 6-8oz normally, so the Rem 700 is a better choice for triggers for sure and many more stock choices. With a trued nut and a ground recoil lug, with a good barrel, your in the .2-.3's.
 
Got some great info, thank you guys for the replies! Gives me food for thought, and an idea of budget I'll need to save for too.

A couple years ago on Armslist local guy had a Savage in 243, early model plain Jane stock for $200, he said it was sorta rusty but still shot well... and I didn't jump on that. It's so easy to look back and say "If I had just..." Next time!

There's a guy locally I see has a Howa 1500 in 22-250 for $450. I've got the same rifle in same caliber, and really like the action, excellent bolt and overall quality. What barrel thread pattern goes into a Howa?
Looks like Howa 1500 at local Sportsman's Warehouse is only $499, so not a great price.
 
Preferred Barrels offers a nut for the Mini Howa, dunno about the full size. As mentioned they are slick, but prices have climbed on them.
If you go with a Savage I prefer the old flat back, stagger feed myself. Magazine parts can be tough to come by, so I would suggest going with a 223 to begin with, rather than swap bolt heads. Used ones can be found reasonable if you shop hard.
 
I believe the minis are M26x1.5 don't quote me on that though.
The factory barrels can be a b$$$$ to get off be prepared to put a relief cut in it.
I read a thread on here that the Howa barrel is a bear to remove, and the note about a relief cut. I'm not sure what the relief cut means, but doesn't sound good right off.
 
Found this new action: New take-off short Action...round back...center feed...223/204 bolt head.. jeweled bolt, .4.40 inch screw spacing...varmint Accutrigger adjustable down to 1.5pounds...flat black factory finish...jeweled bolt body...larger "varmint" bolt handle...original slotted nut and recoil lug. NEVER been fired except at factory
$285 plus $35 shipping and FFL here.

Center feed means it can use detachable mag? But would need to buy they bottom hardware to use a mag, not sure where those are or cost, and then which stock would work with it.

Savage 223 ACTION.jpg
 
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If you put that action in a chassis, then it will come with the bottom metal and accept AICS mags. I used an ORYX chassis and think it is a great buy for the $. While the 20P will feed just fine from the mag, I prefer single shot for squirrels.
 
That action is a great start. Having put together a few Savage rifles, I think you'll really enjoy the results of your build. A 20P is on my list of builds and I think I'm going to have it done on a Rem700 because I have one that I can use, but I wouldn't hesitate doing it on a Savage, as like you, I can do all the work myself. As long as you have a decent stock, I bet you'll find a good shooter with any of the aftermarket barrel makers.
 

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