185g Hybrid for FTr
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Cute name? We like 200s hereabouts.
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185 Hybrids shot extremely well in both of my FTR rifles, i switched to 200s & 210s as time went on to try and get less wind drift for 1000 yard matches but there aint nothing wrong with 185 hybrids! As someone mentioned previously, a lot of guys shoot juggernauts as they are super easy to tune but i didn't have any trouble tuning the 185 hybrid either. If i was to shoot 185s now, it would be the 185 hybrid as the BC is higher and can be run just as fast with equal accuracy. Just my .02
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johnnyi
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9.6 mil to 1k with 185 gr hybrids in my 26" 308win. 4.2 mil to 600y. I shot hundreds of these this year at the 600 yard line with excellent results. Only made it out to the 1k mark once for 3, 20rnd matches. They perform well at 1k for my first experience at that distance.
If you have the option to try the new 200gr bullets, i would suggest that to decrease wind drift. My current plan next year is to tool around with palma brass and the 200-20x bullets. The wind drift is close to the 260rem w/ 142's when plugging the numbers in JBM.
At 100 yards to do a zero verification, they are generally one hole 5 shot groups. Pretty crazy how tight of groups they hold. At 600 yards I have seen many 197-199 scores. I still haven't cleaned the MR target.
The 185gr hybrid is an excellent bullet, don't hesitate. I think the trend is going towards the 200gr bullets for F TR. Tune to 1/4MOA vertical or less at 600 yards, then it is all wind drift.
That's my 2 cents.
If you have the option to try the new 200gr bullets, i would suggest that to decrease wind drift. My current plan next year is to tool around with palma brass and the 200-20x bullets. The wind drift is close to the 260rem w/ 142's when plugging the numbers in JBM.
At 100 yards to do a zero verification, they are generally one hole 5 shot groups. Pretty crazy how tight of groups they hold. At 600 yards I have seen many 197-199 scores. I still haven't cleaned the MR target.
The 185gr hybrid is an excellent bullet, don't hesitate. I think the trend is going towards the 200gr bullets for F TR. Tune to 1/4MOA vertical or less at 600 yards, then it is all wind drift.
That's my 2 cents.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
As a general rule of thumb, when loaded to equal pressure, the higher BC bullet will shoot inside the lower BC bullet every time. When considering the real-world velocities we can [safely] generate with lighter (faster) lower BC bullets as compared to heavier (slower) higher BC bullets, this rule of thumb usually holds true, but there can be exceptions if the BCs aren't too far apart. The comparison of the 185 Hybrid to the 200 Hybrid is one case where it is possible to push the lighter, lower BC bullet fast enough to come fairly close to the performance of the heavier, higher BC bullet. I have been running the 185 Hybrids at 2780 fps from a 30" barrel using H4895 and Palma brass. If you run the numbers for this load against a 200 Hybrid at 2650 fps, you'll find the 185 Hybrid will only be about 0.1-0.2 MOA behind the 200 Hybrid windage in a 10 mph full-value wind at 1000 yd. That's really not too shabby for the lighter bullet in this particular case. In my hands (and those of a couple people I know that are also shooting them) they are shooting very well between about .009" to .015" off the lands, just slightly closer to the lands than I typically find with the 185 Juggernaut. I really didn't have any difficulties getting them tuned in.
.............. but Berger Bullets itself reverses that with the Hybrid at 0.295 v the Juggernaut's 0.284. However, with such a modest difference the MVs obtained at usable pressures and matching an accuracy node could well be more important than the bullet design's aerodynamic efficiency.
As per US emerging practice, FTR shooters in the UK are choosing between 185gn BT and 200gn Hybrid models, largely ignoring the 185 Hybrid.
As per US emerging practice, FTR shooters in the UK are choosing between 185gn BT and 200gn Hybrid models, largely ignoring the 185 Hybrid.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
At the same time Berger revised the 185 Hybrid BC to 0.295, they dropped the advertised BC of the 200 Hybrid slightly to 0.316. Neither revision was large, but both worked in favor of the 185 Hybrid to bring its BC a little closer to that of the 200 Hybrid. That is the primary reason for the previous post comparing windage for the two bullets at typical MVs people have been running. Although the difference between the 185 Juggernaut and Hybrid BCs is small, it does make a difference at 1000 yd; per JBM at 2650 fps (200s) and 2780 fps (185s) > predicted windages of 6.5, 6.6, and 6.9 MOA, respectively for the 200s,185 Hybrids, and 185 Juggernauts. I shoot both of the 185s and this prediction mirrors my impressions of their performance.
As Laurie mentioned, the 185 Hybrid seems to have been largely ignored in the quest for higher BC bullets, jumped over as it were in favor of the 200 Hybrid. That is probably due in part to the fact that if your rifle has enough freebore to accommodate one, it will likely work just fine for the other. Plenty of people have been using 11-twist barrels with the 200 Hybrids, so even barrel twist is probably not a big issue choosing between the two. There could possibly be a tick less recoil with the 185s; if so, it's so small as not being worth mentioning. I have a much, much better reason for shooting the 185 Hybrids >>> because I was unaware at the time people were reliably shooting 200s in 11-twist barrels, I bought about 3000 of them. Now I'll be using them for some time until they're gone. They're shooting just fine for me, so it's not a big deal. However, the 200s are probably going to be the better bet in most F-TR rifles.
As Laurie mentioned, the 185 Hybrid seems to have been largely ignored in the quest for higher BC bullets, jumped over as it were in favor of the 200 Hybrid. That is probably due in part to the fact that if your rifle has enough freebore to accommodate one, it will likely work just fine for the other. Plenty of people have been using 11-twist barrels with the 200 Hybrids, so even barrel twist is probably not a big issue choosing between the two. There could possibly be a tick less recoil with the 185s; if so, it's so small as not being worth mentioning. I have a much, much better reason for shooting the 185 Hybrids >>> because I was unaware at the time people were reliably shooting 200s in 11-twist barrels, I bought about 3000 of them. Now I'll be using them for some time until they're gone
. They're shooting just fine for me, so it's not a big deal. However, the 200s are probably going to be the better bet in most F-TR rifles.
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