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.17 cal 30gr bullets

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rickiesrevenge said:
It would take a huge amount of interest is my bet. Like it or not the sub 22cal stuff isn't popular. If everyone and their brother started asking for it they would make it. They don't even make the .172 25gr hp they once did.
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mean has anyone asked ? I'm legitimately curious ,I mean heck they just started making .223 wssm and .243wssm ammo again out of nowhere. I mean heck even if they could just make the old 25 he how again. I don't reckon they just threw away all the dies and tooling from back in the day
 
BMart said:
SWRS
Congrats on the sweet Sako 17 Rem
Very NICE! Hope she shoots as good as she looks!
Jealous.

Thank you! Just picked it up today and it’s MINT. Very happy, except it’s almost too mint I’m scared to shoot it!


BMart
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Finally got my AR 17 FB back together.
I have a 19.5" DSB 1:9 twist barrel. Currently shooting 25gr Bergers at 3,550fps. I wonder how the 30 gr would shoot?

Time to order some!
 
Woodchk said:
Reeds never has anything in stock
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Unfortunately we are waiting on jackets at this time. We have an order in for 50K of them to cover the .17 and .14 cal bullets; just waiting on them to be make. As you can guess, .17 cal jackets are not high on the list for them to make. J4 completely shut down the .17's and finding a company that could hold those same standards has been a very difficult task.
 
I think the answer to getting manufacturers to make more .17 -.20 cal bullets you like is to increase attention/demand by shooters. Unfortunately, .17-.20 calibers are niche, with the .204 Ruger (2004) being the latest cartridge that had a wider market appeal.

Look at the resurgence of .22lr amongst adults in shooting community. It is all thanks to new shooting competitions designed around practical skills that are transferable across firearm platforms. Why not put together a dynamic shooting competition that features .17-.22 cartridges. I appreciate that majority of people don’t not wants to run & gun like PRS. However, it can’t be static like F-class or Benchrest. Create stages with multiple targets at different distances. Each stage is a different scenario. Look how Sporting Clays revolutionized shotgun shooting and reinvigorated demand at a time when skeet and trap were falling out of favor to golf.

From my time shooting 3-gun and IDPA there is gear and equipment already in use that can be used for movers, such as coyotes and rabbits, as well as pop-up prairie dogs. Think of combining silhouette targets with the thrill of a carnival / whack-a-mole level of fun. Design stages that will be challenging, enjoyable, and not cause anyone to have a heart attack. Set divisions that make sense and ensure that the average shooter with a basic factory rifle feels comfortable participating.

If done right then the demand for these competitions will spread across US driving demand for equipment… ammunition and components.
 
Oso said:
I think the answer to getting manufacturers to make more .17 -.20 cal bullets you like is to increase attention/demand by shooters. Unfortunately, .17-.20 calibers are niche, with the .204 Ruger (2004) being the latest cartridge that had a wider market appeal.

Look at the resurgence of .22lr amongst adults in shooting community. It is all thanks to new shooting competitions designed around practical skills that are transferable across firearm platforms. Why not put together a dynamic shooting competition that features .17-.22 cartridges. I appreciate that majority of people don’t not wants to run & gun like PRS. However, it can’t be static like F-class or Benchrest. Create stages with multiple targets at different distances. Each stage is a different scenario. Look how Sporting Clays revolutionized shotgun shooting and reinvigorated demand at a time when skeet and trap were falling out of favor to golf.

From my time shooting 3-gun and IDPA there is gear and equipment already in use that can be used for movers, such as coyotes and rabbits, as well as pop-up prairie dogs. Think of combining silhouette targets with the thrill of a carnival / whack-a-mole level of fun. Design stages that will be challenging, enjoyable, and not cause anyone to have a heart attack. Set divisions that make sense and ensure that the average shooter with a basic factory rifle feels comfortable participating.

If done right then the demand for these competitions will spread across US driving demand for equipment… ammunition and components.
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Like a sub caliber LR Varmint Silhouette match, prone.. no rear rest. Hunting bipod or pack for front rest, each stage is different distance and different size targets. it's called off in random order by the score keeper. it causes you to break position, locate new berm and then locate your target out of 20 up to 40 sometimes. Here is the course of fire, you would need to adjust the ranges for Sub Cal cartridges of
course.


  • Hanging steel varmint targets are shot at various ranges following the scorecard for each class. A total of (4) 10-rd relays are fired by each competitor.
  • A Relay consists of (2) 5-round Strings, each taking no more than 3:00 minutes, with a 1:00 minute rest period between Strings.
  • Competitors will shoot 1 round (single-load) at each varmint type during a 5-round String. Target order is called by a spotter using the scorecard.
  • Each line of targets (approximate ranges):Squirrel at 330 yards, Crow at 430 yards, Woodchuck at 430 yards, Rabbit at 550 yards, Coyote at 550 yards, Coyote at 665 yards*, Bobcats at 750 yards*, Coyote at 850 yards* (*depends on Class qualification).
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Rules

General Rules​

  • Gate opens at 7:30 am on event dates to receive the mandatory safety briefing before the match. Please show up early and help with setup. We should finish by 1:00PM
  • This is a “long range varmint” oriented match. Approach it as you would if setting up in the field for long-range shots.
  • All firing will be done single-load in the prone position, from a field rest of some type such as a backpack or hunting bipod. Allowances for bad backs, joints, and other physical limitations are made at the Match Director’s discretion. We have benches available for these situations, the rifle support rules still apply.
  • No mechanical rests or “benchrest” type equipment will be allowed. If you are not sure about your gear, just ask the Match Director to review it. Generally speaking, equipment that would be used in the field is legal for use in the match.
  • The ideal calibers for this are the .243 class and up using long range match bullets, however people have shot this match successfully with everything from a .223 to a .300WM.

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Scoring​

  • Targets consist of hanging steel silhouettes, painted white. Points are scored by “hitting” the target.
  • A “hit” is defined by a bullet strike anywhere on the white steel target surface. Hits will be observed by 2 spotters in each squad using visual target hit indication (violent movement of the target, bullet splash on white paint).
  • Spotting is an essential skill for long range shooting. Participants are expected to aid squad members by spotting and giving accurate calls. This is a good time to hone skills in observing trace, reading hit and miss dust patterns, and detecting correct target behavior for hits.
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Classes/Awards​

  • There are 4 classes in Long Range Varmint Silhouette (highest to lowest): Master, Expert, Sharpshooter, and Marksman. Each class is awarded 1st-3rd Place ribbons at each match. Junior (less than 18 years old) shooters are eligible for 1st & 2nd Junior as well as regular awards at each match. There are additional awards given after each season based on total points earned. Any ties will be broken by counting the most rabbits, then chucks, etc.
  • In order to advance in class, a shooter has to score a given point count in the previous class
  1. Master Class – Shoots targets at the following yardages: 330, 430, 550, 750, and 850. Qualification: Score 30 or more in Expert Class.
  2. Expert Class – Shoots targets at the following yardages: 330, 430, 550, and 750. Qualification: Score 25 or more in Sharpshooter Class.
  3. Sharpshooter Class – Shoots targets at the following yardages: 330, 430, 550, and 665. Qualification: Score 20 or more in Marksman Class.
  4. Marksman Class – Shoots targets at the following yardages: 330, 430, and 550.
  5. Master and Expert Class will not get any sighters during the first 8 minute string. All shots are for record. Use the time to observe conditions before your first shot for record.
It's a very fun and challenging match, I have seen it humble some of the best shooters out there. :cool:
 
Something like this, but you need to reach a broader participant group. Have some shorter range stages (50 yards, 100 yards) for shooting multiple targets either off-hand or using a simplified barricade wall (simulate a fence rail, leaning against tree trunk, etc). You could make a few stages requiring the participants to bring a second gun (22lr) using iron nights.

Like Sporting Clays, you want stages to represent different types of hunting ( different hunting environments and different game). To grow the sport it needs to be engaging and provide applicable skills. Think of different types of hunting.. coyote, PD, squirrels, rats, pigs… you name it. Think about different environments (distance, visibility, natural obstructions (tree trunks and limbs, dirt mounds, gopher holes, high grass, etc). Some of these things can be easily recreated using ordinary items.. no need to steal the fiberglass replica boulders or stone outcroppings used to hold up fancy community neighborhood signs :)
 
Wolfdog91 said:
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mean has anyone asked ? I'm legitimately curious ,I mean heck they just started making .223 wssm and .243wssm ammo again out of nowhere. I mean heck even if they could just make the old 25 he how again. I don't reckon they just threw away all the dies and tooling from back in the day
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years ago I had Berger do 2 special runs of their 30's at the time it required 100K piece order and i got stuck trying to sell them after fronting the purchase.

SDH
 
rayh said:
I feel Berger is responsible for the lack of good 17 bullets. A lot of small bullet makers made investments in time and dies believing Berger would support their needs. Instead they dropped sizes of jackets and made minimum buys of jackets more than most small makers could afford. I understand business But I feel Berger could have found a way to make runs of jackets for the small custom makers. In the beginning it was those small custom guys that helped Berger to grow.
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Ray you are 100% accurate. Hope you are doing well my friend.

Michael Liechty
 
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