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150 SMKs and the 6.5 x 284 ***UPDATE***

I tried some of my 3116fps loads 0.005 off and accuracy was worse than 0.015 off. I might have to revisit seating closer with a 2900fps load. An accurate 2900 load would help conserve my barrel and be very satisfactory for most purposes.
We shall see. This is turning out to a very informative thread.
Bill
 
Started to work a load in my 6.5x284 last night with these 150's and H1000, lapua brass, seated .010 off, didnt get very far. 54 gr gave me 2925 and flattened 210m primers, no other pressure signs. 8 twist 4 groove Brux. Anyone else seeing this?
 
Started to work a load in my 6.5x284 last night with these 150's and H1000, lapua brass, seated .010 off, didnt get very far. 54 gr gave me 2925 and flattened 210m primers, no other pressure signs. 8 twist 4 groove Brux. Anyone else seeing this?
How deep are you throated? Pressures must be too high! Was it a compressed load?
 
Started to work a load in my 6.5x284 last night with these 150's and H1000, lapua brass, seated .010 off, didnt get very far. 54 gr gave me 2925 and flattened 210m primers, no other pressure signs. 8 twist 4 groove Brux. Anyone else seeing this?
I had slightly stiff bolt at 56.0 but no problems at lower loadings. However, I use CCI200 primers.
 
Started to work a load in my 6.5x284 last night with these 150's and H1000, lapua brass, seated .010 off, didnt get very far. 54 gr gave me 2925 and flattened 210m primers, no other pressure signs. 8 twist 4 groove Brux. Anyone else seeing this?

This is not the first time I have heard of this with Brux barrels. Actually the 3rd time I believe. Though if I remember right the rest have been 6mms. If you can, try another powder to verify, but you may end up sending it back for a replacement. The other one that sticks in my mind is a well respected shooter/machinist who does his own work.
 
This barrel has about 300 rounds of 140's with RL26 on it. Shot them decent enough to hunt with. It did throw a few flyers though. You have any theory as to the 3 Brux you've heard of?

I've got to take the burn rate up about 10% or up the starting pressure to about 7500 to get these results.
 
This barrel has about 300 rounds of 140's with RL26 on it. Shot them decent enough to hunt with. It did throw a few flyers though. You have any theory as to the 3 Brux you've heard of?

I've got to take the burn rate up about 10% or up the starting pressure to about 7500 to get these results.

I've never used a Brux, and I cant say as I have a theory or enough intelligence as to why this has happened to the people that its happened to. But the one person who had trouble had them replace it and then he didnt have that trouble any more. Thats as much as I know, aside from it was also a new reamer, so he chambered a few stubs, and sent it back to PT&G before questioning the barrel manufacturer. Again, they sent him a new one and his troubles went away. Though I didnt personally experience the pressure issue. In your case if it shoots the 140s fine, it could be that barrel doesnt like that bullet. But again, this is not the first case Ive heard of this with a Brux, but they were all 6mms.
 
Figured out what was going on with this, carbon was to blame. It was making the loads run about 100 FPS faster than they should have. Got it all cleaned out, but it still doesn’t like to shoot the 150’s. Bummer.
 
Figured out what was going on with this, carbon was to blame. It was making the loads run about 100 FPS faster than they should have. Got it all cleaned out, but it still doesn’t like to shoot the 150’s. Bummer.

yup, just been battling similar issues, found lots of carbon, and my barrel had 300 rounds on it.
 
WELL AS PROMISED: Last week I finally got my Bartlein 6.5 / 7.5 twist 5R barrel. Scott Harris chambered it up. My reamer is a .294 neck with a .200 Freebore. After viewing all the replies on this thread, I started the 150SMKs 5 thousandths OFF the lands. On day 1, I started with 50.0grs of VV N165 and worked my way to 51.0 grs to get some idea of the velocity and to get some rounds down the bore. Velocities ran from "about" 2800 to 2945 at 51.0 grains. A WHOLE GRAIN and barely 40 f.p.s. or so increase in velocity. HMMM the 5R barrel does in fact create somewhat LESS velocity from the 4 groove conventional rifling I have experienced! OKAY! So I go back and start today at 51.4 and work to 52.2 grs. I made it up to 2930 which was my first barrels' "sweet spot".. SOOOO here are the results: It mattered NOT from 2800 all the way thru 2930, the rifle shot HORRIBLE! I could only muster 2" on the "good" side to 4" on the bad side. It shot so bad that I don't know if it's the barrel (which I doubt) or the 150 SMKs.. In either event, I can't waste anymore time or barrel wear on them. I am going to try some other pill, just not sure which one, to see if it's the barrel or the 150s! Even if I cut the size of the groups in half, the groups would still be VERY unacceptable to me. A good 6.5 x 284 should shoot NO LARGER than 1" at 330 yards! Presently I would never make it there. My experience tells me that no matter what powder, velocity or seating depth will "fix" 3+ inches of group size! So off to another bullet!
 
I could only muster 2" on the "good" side to 4" on the bad side. It shot so bad that I don't know if it's the barrel (which I doubt) or the 150 SMKs.. In either event, I can't waste anymore time or barrel wear on them. I am going to try some other pill, just not sure which one, to see if it's the barrel or the 150s! Even if I cut the size of the groups in half, the groups would still be VERY unacceptable to me. A good 6.5 x 284 should shoot NO LARGER than 1" at 330 yards! Presently I would never make it there. My experience tells me that no matter what powder, velocity or seating depth will "fix" 3+ inches of group size! So off to another bullet!


So it shot 2-4" at 330 yards? Or at 100?

If its at 330 yards, I think it would be foolish to hang it up before doing a seating depth test. I know on some of my loads, it didnt matter how much or little powder I threw at it, at a certain seating depth, it just wont shoot. If its at 100 yards, yikes.
 
So it shot 2-4" at 330 yards? Or at 100?

If its at 330 yards, I think it would be foolish to hang it up before doing a seating depth test. I know on some of my loads, it didnt matter how much or little powder I threw at it, at a certain seating depth, it just wont shoot. If its at 100 yards, yikes.
There is a little more to it than just group size. One of the "qualifiers" I use is this: Let's say the first group on the 1" target dot is about "10 O'Clock" and about 3/4" away from the target dot itself. The next group (only 0.3grs higher) is at "6 O'Clock" and 1.5" away from the target dot. Then group #3, 0.2grs higher, shoots at 8 O'Clock close to or touching the dot. The loads are, for all intents and purposes, ALL over the "map". Juxtapose this with my brand new 6mm Creedmoor rifle (shot at the same time) loads are ALL either right on the dot or in the dot on some and just touching the dot but slightly outside. ALL are virtually in the same location no matter the charge weight. That is a BIG "tell-tale" sign that this barrel does NOT like the bullet!
 
I understand what you are saying about relative location of the center of the group. I think I would still do a seating depth test though. Just because of what I have been through.

One other question, is n165 your familiar / go to powder for that reamer?
 
I understand what you are saying about relative location of the center of the group. I think I would still do a seating depth test though. Just because of what I have been through.

One other question, is n165 your familiar / go to powder for that reamer?
I have used it on previous occasions in the 6.5 x 284, along with H1000, H4831 etc.. In my opinion, the burn rate of N165 is a half shade slower than IMR 7828. This should put it optimally for the case and the 150s.. I have seen many, many times that if you are getting excessively large, very inconsistent groups, no amount of variations in powder, seating depth or anything else will "fix" something that far out of whack. When those things arise, it is either the bullet that the barrel don't like or a bad barrel! If the groups at least stayed on one side or the other of the target dot and were no larger than say 2", I would work to make it right. It is just my opinion that once the groups are this large and all over the place, it becomes an effort in futility.
 
I have used it on previous occasions in the 6.5 x 284, along with H1000, H4831 etc.. In my opinion, the burn rate of N165 is a half shade slower than IMR 7828. This should put it optimally for the case and the 150s.. I have seen many, many times that if you are getting excessively large, very inconsistent groups, no amount of variations in powder, seating depth or anything else will "fix" something that far out of whack. When those things arise, it is either the bullet that the barrel don't like or a bad barrel! If the groups at least stayed on one side or the other of the target dot and were no larger than say 2", I would work to make it right. It is just my opinion that once the groups are this large and all over the place, it becomes an effort in futility.
ShootDots, keep us posted when you try a different bullet. I'm really sorry that it didn't work out. I know you've put forth the effort. I have well over 1100 rds down 4 different tubes which are posted here. You put me onto H1000 which works great! Thanks a bunch! Both H1000 and H4350 shoot great. Last week I shot a .570...5 shot group at 300 with .400 vertical. Over 5 groups I averaged just under 1.00 inch with the 6.5 x 284. I now have the 284 shooting like the swede at 100 fps faster. Like I said a ways back....no speed demon but fairly accurate. I'm very puzzled...several on here (wboggs, 1shot, Rardoin) just to name a few, if something hasn't changed...are doing pretty good with them. I'm sold that certain barrels at high shot count could do something to the jackets and cause failure because that can happen to any bullet if pushed to the limit. I also know that I'm preaching to the choir because you have more smarts than I ever will! But owning 4 rifles that shoot them at around 1/3 moa...one gun slightly over 1/3...and these are 8tw at that...I don't think there is a problem with the bullet so far as accuracy is concerned. I have also only had them at 1,000 a couple of times. I hope I'm not proved wrong because I've put in a lot of work to have some crazy failure.
 
ShootDots, keep us posted when you try a different bullet. I'm really sorry that it didn't work out. I know you've put forth the effort. I have well over 1100 rds down 4 different tubes which are posted here. You put me onto H1000 which works great! Thanks a bunch! Both H1000 and H4350 shoot great. Last week I shot a .570...5 shot group at 300 with .400 vertical. Over 5 groups I averaged just under 1.00 inch with the 6.5 x 284. I now have the 284 shooting like the swede at 100 fps faster. Like I said a ways back....no speed demon but fairly accurate. I'm very puzzled...several on here (wboggs, 1shot, Rardoin) just to name a few, if something hasn't changed...are doing pretty good with them. I'm sold that certain barrels at high shot count could do something to the jackets and cause failure because that can happen to any bullet if pushed to the limit. I also know that I'm preaching to the choir because you have more smarts than I ever will! But owning 4 rifles that shoot them at around 1/3 moa...one gun slightly over 1/3...and these are 8tw at that...I don't think there is a problem with the bullet so far as accuracy is concerned. I have also only had them at 1,000 a couple of times. I hope I'm not proved wrong because I've put in a lot of work to have some crazy failure.
Thank You for the kind words! I do not think there is anything wrong with the bullet whatsoever.. It is just that MY barrel apparently does not have an affinity for them! OR and there are 2 other possibilities: 1.) my barrel is bad>>>However, I think that is unlikely; and 2.) My March "High Master Model" is broken>>>also highly unlikely. Having said that, you can not rule out either of those two. I will try the Berger 140 LRBT and I think that is the most accurate 6.5 bullet made. If that doesn't shoot, SOMETHING IS AMISS! Sooner or later I will narrow it down and find the culprit.
 

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