1000 yd shooters, can you

[constructor]

Can you pull off a shot every 4 seconds and keep the group at 5" or 1/2 moa.
with what rifle?


Now could you do it off of a Harris bipod and rear bag only?


handicap #2 with a 3-15x scope?


handicap#3 white steel plate with a 1" black outlined 12" circle with a snow bank behind the target?

handicap #4 AR15 chambered in 6.5 Grendel? ETA- 140 Berger at 2300fps muzzle vel.

handicap #5 no wind flags

my calculations say it would be going 1260fps at 1000yds, it would have 390" drop if zeroed at 300
507" total drop and have 89" drift in a 10mph 9 o'clock cross.

possible or not?

 

[CoopVA]

I don't know if I can do it, but I imagine it could be done... I've seen some High Power shooters that shoot clean at 1000 yards with AR-15s using iron sights...

 

[bigred]

Honestly, your stretching it a bit. Not saying it couldn't be done, but there are highly specialized heavy benchrest rigs that have a hard time holding a consistant 5" group at a 1000 yards. Thats with a 50 # rifle, special rest, 12-42 nightforce,windflags, and sighters.

 

[TonyR]

How many shots in the string?

 

[constructor]

How many shots in the string?

Just 5.
I doubt the video is why I ask.

 

[TonyR]

I believe that 5 is way more doable than 10 and 20 would require exceptionally stable conditions. I saw a target shot at Williamsport in 2009 that has 7 shots in an inch and a half with three that dibbled out to the side making a 10 shot 4.5 inch group. I am told that the string was fired in 15 seconds which shows how fast conditions can change and how little things really need to change to move a bullet 5 inches at 1000 yards. My 284 drifts about 5 MOA for a full value 10 mph wind at 1000 yards which means that a 1 mph change will move the bullet the full 5 inches you are looking at.

 

[earl39]

Where's The Beef? uh i mean video inquiring minds want to see it.

 

[aJR]

Hi constructor , In short ,no i can not get this good a result ..After ten years of competiting in 1000yd bench in Heavy gun i have only been able to shoot 3 screamers ,these worked out to be the best scores also at 99.7/100.0/100.4.. Anything is possibile as i have seen individual groups that astound me ,only never to be repeated.. Fact is in Long range it is quite possibile and probable for the bullets to be blown into the group just as it is to be blown to where a lot of mine end up ..JR..Jeff Rogers

Can you pull off a shot every 4 seconds and keep the group at 5" or 1/2 moa.
with what rifle?


Now could you do it off of a Harris bipod and rear bag only?


handicap #2 with a 3-15x scope?


handicap#3 white steel plate with a 1" black outlined 12" circle with a snow bank behind the target?

handicap #4 AR15 chambered in 6.5 Grendel?

handicap #5 no wind flags

possible or not?

 

[constructor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYlKXPbH0k
I can tell you that I could not with that setup and conditions.
A BRX, X47 or my 243 with my high power optics and a 12" black square maybe.
I don't think I could see that black ring with a 15 power scope at 1000.
I would want my spotting scope, flags a good rest and some ammo near my rifle. ;D

 

[Evan]

That is pretty amazing. I've had some good days where things seemed to magically align and I would get shots falling in like that. But not predictable enough that I could say, " Ok turn on the camera, this one will be good."

Best I've ever done off a bipod and rear bag was 7 shots in a row onto a 10" circular gong at 1km before losing one over the top. That was a 300 Savage shooting 155gr SMK over 41gr of IMR-3031(normal warnings here if anyone still shoots this magnificent little cartridge). Bare steel gong against sandy backdrop with fairly heavy mirage due to the 90 degrees it was that day. I shoot slow too, which doesn't help my chances of getting good groups regularly.

Military snipers "make do" with these levels of magnification and similar bipod/bag setups on their rifles and make hits at incredible distances. I wouldn't doubt this sort of skill in the video is entirely possible on a regular basis.

Three options:
Its B.S.
He sat there and filmed that repeatedly until he got a clip of him hitting 5 times in a row.
He is a very skilled shooter and can do that regularly

I think number 2.

 

[memilanuk]

Under the right circumstances, anything is possible... whether it is repeatable on demand is another matter entirely.

Strangely enough the guys who can pull off stunts like this tend to get stage fright about shooting in a match where every shot is counted and there is no editing software...

 

[flatlander]

Dittos to the previous post - and IMHO, it's highly unlikely the 6.5 Grendel could pull it off even under ideal conditions.

 

[sewwhat89]

The problem with that video is when the video starts and while its filmed show a dark steel plate; however, the group they show is a white plate. That is what amazes me about the group. . . It must have been shot with paint-filled bullets.

 

[Kenny474]

It very well my be real, but it would look a lot better if he gave a close up of the plate to show it didn't already have any bullet marks on it. Or get a better camera, or even just a better angle, to show the bullet trace coming in on the target.

I have never shot steel at 1000yds, but my .222 will make a 12"X24" plate rock a bit when I hit it at 300. That plate never even twitches.

 

[Erik Cortina]

The problem with that video is when the video starts and while its filmed show a dark steel plate; however, the group they show is a white plate. That is what amazes me about the group. . . It must have been shot with paint-filled bullets.

It's a white plate, but it looks dark because the sun is behind it. You can actually see the black circle in the middle of the plate. I think the plate is real, the gun is real, as is everything else, as far as the target being 1000 yards away... I don't know about that!

But to answer the question, I believe it is possible.

 

[GLZ]

I think the plate is real, the gun is real, as is everything else, as far as the target being 1000 yards away... I don't know about that!

But to answer the question, I believe it is possible.

1000 yds? using the play back timer I get between 4 and 5 seconds from muzzle blast until the steel rings. A 140 A-Max at 2300 fps should have a TOF of around 2 seconds to 1000 yds, then the sound traveling back at 1125fps (don't know his actual conditions) 2.66 seconds. The math adds up.


I've seen Jon post on a lot of different boards and he always seems pretty straight up.

 

[Erik Cortina]

I think the plate is real, the gun is real, as is everything else, as far as the target being 1000 yards away... I don't know about that!

But to answer the question, I believe it is possible.

1000 yds? using the play back timer I get between 4 and 5 seconds from muzzle blast until the steel rings. A 140 A-Max at 2300 fps should have a TOF of around 2 seconds to 1000 yds, then the sound traveling back at 1125fps (don't know his actual conditions) 2.66 seconds. The math adds up.


I've seen Jon post on a lot of different boards and he always seems pretty straight up.

Maybe we should call Myth Busters! ;D

 

[TonyR]

Does anyone have experience shooting over snow-covered ground? I did some testing one day with snow on the ground and the target was about as clear as I've ever seen it. My results are always better when I see the target clearly. Probably just less mirage. I only did it the one time so I don't know if that is the usual thing, but I did notice what looks like snow on the ground in the video.

 

[TX65]

I think that would be considered a lucky day for the person making the video.

Shooting a 140 AMAX in a magazine length loading would severely restrict powder capacity so the velocity would be unimpressive,, add a puff a wind and it would be all over the place. I have the shot the 144 Lapua FMJBT magazine length in the round and was running 2400 fps in a 16 inch barrel. Velocity of the same load shot on the same day in a 28 inch barrel was in the 2500's.

I have also shot the round in custom built bolt actions hanging 130 vld's out to gain powder capacity and in a 28 inch barrel, my velocities 250-350 fps below what can be accomplished with a 6.5x47 Lapua.

I used it in some 1000 yard f-class matches in the bolt gun shown in the guns of week section and in favorable conditions it could do ok, but add wind with a few shifts, and it lacked the capability to be anything more than a novelty for 1000 yard f-class.

My best performance with the round has been using Lapua 108's and Cauteruccio 114 VLD's in my other bolt gun, but those are seated to 2.365" COAL.

Here is the group I did with the 108's at 660 yards with my bench rest rifle.

 

[Rust]

I'd say that the shooting in the video is possible.

I've shot a lot of steel at 1,000. One reason I like shooting on steel is that the bullet splash on white painted steel is visible through s good spotting scope or a 12-42 Nightforce. The lead makes a nice black smear several times bullet diameter. Instant feedback.

Judging by the return time for the sound of the bullet hitting the steel, it's about right. My 6.5 X 284 takes about 1.2 seconds to get to 1,000 and it takes a bit more time for the sound to come back at about 1200 ft/sec. My .308 and .223 take more time to get to 1,000. The Grendal seems to duplicate my 155 Scenar load time wise.

Since I shoot bolt rifles, I probably could not duplicate the time with accuracy, but manage to steer the rifle fairly well under benign conditions.

Is the video doable? Yes. Can it be done on a consistant basis? Maybe with very calm conditions. The Grendal, while accurate, is not what I'd consider a bad condition chambering.