1000 YD. Benchrest Stocks ??????

[johara1]

JRS. Nothing to do with age, just different points of view. Myself is from the bench rest side short and long, and i understand the the other side of the fence also. no big deal, no argument ………… jim

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Personally I think glass stocks dampen a little better. Real wood is good too. The laminate we use has so much epoxy in it, it doesnt act like wood. But the difference is so small we are not seeing it on paper. I have yet to see a difference between a glue in vs a properly bedded action. Actually I have seen some pretty lousy bedding jobs shoot extremely well. I do prefer to glue in round actions to prevent them from twisting though. I think you want to damp the bad vibrations (ignition system) but encourage the good vibrations that happen in the barrel. I feel that changing materials has a positive effect on dampening vibration, steel barrel, to an aluminum action, to wood, to sand bags to your rest, exc.

 

[Joe Salt]

You guys drive yourself crazy with all this talk abut vibration in barrels, stocks, toners. Best shooting rifle I ever shot was just glass bedded.

Joe Salt

 

[dmoran]

You guys drive yourself crazy with all this talk abut vibration in barrels, stocks, toners. Best shooting rifle I ever shot was just glass bedded.

Joe Salt

Joe -
I hear ya.... and I have the same, but what do we need to advance and shoot better/smaller then our glassed bedded rifles?
Innovation and new idea'ers is what I like reading discussions about.....
Donovan

 

[johara1]

Alex, you got a SS. barrel screwed into a steel insert glued and pressed into an aluminum action. I have seen the difference between a bedded action and the same glued and screwed. as far as wood verses fiberglass stock you can straighten out the wood but you can't take the twist out of a fiberglass one. jim

 

[Chuckhunter]

Alex, you got a SS. barrel screwed into a steel insert glued and pressed into an aluminum action. I have seen the difference between a bedded action and the same glued and screwed. as far as wood verses fiberglass stock you can straighten out the wood but you can't take the twist out of a fiberglass one. jim

I really don't think it matters whether the actions are piller bedded , glued or screwed and glued. I do believe however it is important to have the right guy do the bedding. As far as stocks go I must admit the best stock I ever shot in short range was a McMillan fiberglass and the butt had a discernible cast off. Didn't seem to mater. Perhaps the barrel was the reason for that I really don't know, however, it seemed that no mater what barrel went on that action, stock combo, they just shot. Go figure.

 

[johara1]

Chuck, things are different at short range, score you go from target to target. Long range it seems you have to have all your ducks in a row. In the end it comes down to barrel quality, with out that you shoot big and hope for a win jim

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Maybe we have been lucky but seems its hard to find a bad barrel. I think its more the tuner than the barrel with the quality makers like Krieger have been putting out.

Back to stocks, I think 4-5" may be the practical limit on a LG. I would stay away from low profile and very rigid stocks personally. Toms glass stock is probably the most flexible I have seen and it seems to be shooting well with a rock creek, waiting for him to put a Krieger on to try.

 

[BenPerfected]

You said you didn't like glue in's, it was like removing the rubber on a mount on your car or truck and it sends the vibration through out the vehicle and i said what does gluing in have to do with cab mounts, engine mounts or what ever. The best shooting guns in the world are glued in, there no disputing this fact. jim

Jim,
Is it glued in action that gets measurably better results or is it the some shooters think it is better?
Ben

 

[johara1]

Alex, some….. some of the best gunsmiths advocate glued and screwed jim

 

[johara1]

Ben, The record of mine that was broke this year is a broken gun record it was a glue in and was coming apart. the fact is the last two matches were shot completely un glued. the only thing holding it was the rear screw and it was finger tight. and it still shot in 3" twice, so much for the torque. I cleaned it up and pillared and glued it and open the free bore diameter up to .2438. 3 groups in a row were in the zeros. took it to Va. 1000 and the agg. was under 3" for four matches and the other gun was shooting 100's and in 4-5" range. yes it works. They shoot fine bedded but they shoot better glued and screwed. jim

 

[Jet]

Great discussion here.

Just when I think I'm getting a handle on load development, equipment selection, shooting style, etc I realize I don't know squat.

Rich

 

[dkhunt14]

Great discussion here.

Just when I think I'm getting a handle on load development, equipment selection, shooting style, etc I realize I don't know squat.

Rich

They still mean most

Great discussion here.

Just when I think I'm getting a handle on load development, equipment selection, shooting style, etc I realize I don't know squat.

Rich

They are still very important. The tune and loading is also a lot of it. In benchrest the stock needs to ride the bags and not upset from recoil or bolt handling. It needs to balance somewhat also. If it is front heavy it doesn't track as good. Matt

 

[Chuckhunter]

Chuck, things are different at short range, score you go from target to target. Long range it seems you have to have all your ducks in a row. In the end it comes down to barrel quality, with out that you shoot big and hope for a win jim

I'm with you there Jim.

 

[Chuckhunter]

Maybe we have been lucky but seems its hard to find a bad barrel. I think its more the tuner than the barrel with the quality makers like Krieger have been putting out.

Back to stocks, I think 4-5" may be the practical limit on a LG. I would stay away from low profile and very rigid stocks personally. Toms glass stock is probably the most flexible I have seen and it seems to be shooting well with a rock creek, waiting for him to put a Krieger on to try.

I agree with this Alex, all of my best shooting stocks have some flex in them, my Hammerhead has a lot of flex but still works exceptionally well.

 

[Phil]

I was turned on to Ray Bowman by Jim O ...........

The majority of my rifles noe wear Ray`s stocks.......3" wide.

Phil.

 

[Thumper]

A glued and screw action is the best system of them all. jim

Folks, please explain and define a glued and screwed action bedding job. How is it different than just pillar bedding?

 

[CJ6]

A glued and screw action is the best system of them all. jim

Folks, please explain and define a glued and screwed action bedding job. How is it different than just pillar bedding?

Think of a bedded action without using a release agent on the action and still having the normal action screws (bolts). I have a few of Bill Shehanes ST 1000 L's 3" forend and laminated

 

[johara1]

There is a little more to it than just no release agent, but you are correct . Short range guns it is the norm…. jim

 

[CJ6]

Keeping it simple. The Viper DP and Panda are both glue-ins.