1000 yard calibers

[maddysdad]

at camp perry what are they using for the open class any sight 1000 yard shoots?do the shoot 7 mm magnus or 30 on the 338 win mags any more?
gary b

 

[Immike]

at camp perry what are they using for the open class any sight 1000 yard shoots?do the shoot 7 mm magnus or 30 on the 338 win mags any more?
gary b

The only one that I know of that did well was Phillip Crow with a straight 284 win. But he's a hell of a shot anyway.

 

[Rtheurer]

You will see maybe one or two 30 cal Magnum at the Nationals in Camp Perry nowa days. There was a huge swing to the 6.5X284 in the late 90's. Then in the mid 2000's There was a few 7mm's and now a lot of 7mm RSAUM's. The last two years there has also been a swing to the straight 243 Winchester as the good and humble Mr John Widden has won everyone of his National Championships with it if im not mistaken.
Top Four right now I would Say.
7SAUM
6.5X284
243 or a variant there of.
308 Winchester... Still getting it done.

If you have one of the big guys.. it can still get it done no doubt. just going to beat the hell out of you. Hence the move to 180gr and less bullets shot out of a sling and coat.

 

[DR1586]

Russ hit the nail on the head. The 6.5x284 was the in thing for a while, but the line is as diverse in caliber as it's ever been. The WSM and SAUM cartridges got a lot of attention when they came out and I thing they are great rounds. There are bunches of caliber capable of winning, it's all about the shooter.

 

[clowdis]

I agree with Russ that the 7mm's are taking over. I shoot a 7RSAUM and have for about 5 years. The AMU is shooting 7RSAUMs also. I have been chambering a large number of barrels for people that are moving to the .284 because of lack of brass for the 7RSAUM. The 6.5 caliber is fading into the sunset and you're seeing a few more 6mm showing up in .243, 6mm SLR and a couple of other wildcats. My guess is a continued movement toward a 6mm of some sort until they find out a heavier bullet works better when things get really squirrely at Perry (pretty mild this year for long range except the Palma matches where up to 12/13 minutes of wind was being used), but I think .284 will be king for a while. Yep, Phillip Crowe is/was shooting a .284, I was one of those he beat in the Mustin Cup shootoff

 

[Rtheurer]

Wasn't the Mustin Trophy won by a 308/155gr Palma shooter over all those 6mm 6.5mm and 7mm's? Maybe it was 2013? This brings back the point that its the shooter and not so much the choice of caliber.. The lesson here kids is.. All the BC in the world is not going to make up for your lack of wind reading skill.

Russ T

 

[mgdietrich]

I have had a 240NMC that I used with 115 DTAC's managed one clean at Perry with that 6mm. Then moved to 284 and fired some better scores with it, the 180 class of bullets (I used Sierra 180's) really do very well in the wind. If you have a 308 bolt face, I would not go to the expense of building a RSAUM. The 284 can hang with the magnums.

Having said that, I am going back to the 6mm. Straight 243, great lapua brass, 105 hybrid should be running about 3100+. Will be more precise and easier to shoot. I know I will give up some wind on switchy days, but the guys that are using them really sing their praises.

As Russ said, very few 300 Mag, 30/338's on the line any more. Most people can not handle the recoil well, and the 7 and 6mm bullet have gained more in BC than the large 30's.
Morgen

 

[clowdis]

Wasn't the Mustin Trophy won by a 308/155gr Palma shooter over all those 6mm 6.5mm and 7mm's? Maybe it was 2013? This brings back the point that its the shooter and not so much the choice of caliber.. The lesson here kids is.. All the BC in the world is not going to make up for your lack of wind reading skill.

Russ T

You're right, it was the Leech Cup that Phillip won. Eric Smith may have won the Mustin Trophy shooting a Palma rifle? All the winners have been removed from the NRA website so I can't be sure of anything I'm quoting. What do you remember?

 

[Rtheurer]

Ha! I was going to double check as well and low and behold... just as you said I cant even open the NRA results page that shows the Match results... Always something with them.
Yes it was Young Eric Smith who won the Mustin in a sudden death shoot off against this years LR Champion,Michelle Gallagher shooting her 7RSAUM. Eric was shooting his Palma rifle with Seirra 2156/Palma 155's...

RT

 

[rafale]

You will see maybe one or two 30 cal Magnum at the Nationals in Camp Perry nowa days. There was a huge swing to the 6.5X284 in the late 90's. Then in the mid 2000's There was a few 7mm's and now a lot of 7mm RSAUM's. The last two years there has also been a swing to the straight 243 Winchester as the good and humble Mr John Widden has won everyone of his National Championships with it if im not mistaken.
Top Four right now I would Say.
7SAUM
6.5X284
243 or a variant there of.
308 Winchester... Still getting it done.

If you have one of the big guys.. it can still get it done no doubt. just going to beat the hell out of you. Hence the move to 180gr and less bullets shot out of a sling and coat.

I heard that Mr John Whidden tied the national record 200 17x with the 243 w but maybe I'm wrong?

Raf

 

[Rtheurer]

current National Record shows the amazing Kent Reeve with a 200-17X in 2010 and 2011 for Metallic Sights at 1000 yards. Carl Kovalchick holds the Any Sight Record still that dates back to 1996.
The NRA is slow on getting updates so this could be wrong.

I think Kent was shooting his 300 Win Mag back then.

RussT

 

[Mudcat]

Russ, in 2012 Norm won the Mustin with a Palma rifle. I know that for a fact as I won the any rifle class (used a 284 Win) in the shoot off. We both had cleans but he had an X or two more. I returned the favor at end of the week though as I moved from 5th or 6th to make the podium for the bronze after the Palma match and bumping him down a spot or two. John Whidden finished with the silver shooting a 243 during the week and yeah, we both got beat by a Palma rifle as David Luckman won the week, shooting a Palma rifle all week. So, like ya said, its not all about fast bullets. I made another shoot off that week, the Leech, but Nancy whupped all of our butts in that one, 100-8, if I remember correctly.

I dont disagree about the recoil and better elevation of the 6s. When I dont shoot the 284 I run a regular ol' 6xc and its dont really well for me too. Shot a 996 at Butner with it (five 1000 yard matches) with three cleans in a row over 2 days, all with double digit X counts and then two 198s in a row to finish out, both of those were double digit X counts as well, i believe. That was with 108 Bergers running right about 3,000fps, not barn burners. Just no recoil with that round and the elevation with it is super. Both the 6xc and the 284 bbls were done by Blair Clowdis and both are super accurate, its the nut behind the bolt that leaves Xs on the table.

The 284 with a 180 is about the max recoil I shoot comfortably. Anything more than that I and I get a bit annoyed with it over the course of a weekend or longer. There simply isnt a "super cartridge" and nothing defeats the wind. Yeah, some stuff does a bit better, but if you cant turn the knobs, you are going to get bit at some point, no matter what you are slinging down range.

Russ, Kent's 200-17x was done with a Palma rifle and 2155s. i scored it at Lejeune.

 

[rafale]

Thanks for your reply!Here in France or in Europe we are using the new Lapua L 105 grs but anybody is shooting this bullet at long range
in US competitions?

 

[corning]

John, hasn't Kent shot three 17x cleans at 1000 yards? I thought I read that he had, and with three different guns, no less.

 

[Mudcat]

it might be three...I know he's done it at least twice.

 

[clowdis]

Thanks for your reply!Here in France or in Europe we are using the new Lapua L 105 grs but anybody is shooting this bullet at long range
in US competitions?

The Lapua 105's shoot well but are a tad more expensive than Sierra's and about the same as Bergers. So the use of them here isn't as common as in Europe.

 

[rafale]

Thanks for your reply!Here in France or in Europe we are using the new Lapua L 105 grs but anybody is shooting this bullet at long range
in US competitions?

The Lapua 105's shoot well but are a tad more expensive than Sierra's and about the same as Bergers. So the use of them here isn't as common as in Europe.

clowdis,

Thanks for your answer!

 

[morpheus]

John, hasn't Kent shot three 17x cleans at 1000 yards? I thought I read that he had, and with three different guns, no less.

I was scoring for him in 2011 at Perry when he did it with a 6.5x284.

 

[clowdis]

Speaking of the 6mm SLR, what neck diameter are ya'll getting on loaded rounds? The reamer specs a dimension of .275 and I have a customer that is getting .275 diameter on a loaded round with Winchester brass. Obviously this is a neck turning situation but this is supposed to be a no turn neck reamer. Info please.

 

[Rtheurer]

Gosh dang 243 Winchester brass has gotten thicker in the neck... My Reamer is a .274. I have to turn necks now also. Used to be fine.

Sorry,

Russ T