100-200 Benchrest

[nonliberal]

To get going in benchrest I think I want to start in group.

would a 6br be a logical choice?

Nope.
For 100/200 yard group shooting you want a 6ppc. Least recoil and smallest explosion in a very efficient case.

If I were going to take the bigger explosion of the BR case I would use the more efficient 30 caliber version and use for group and score. The case capacity for a 6mm bullet is a little over kill for 100/200 yards but perfect for 600. The 30 caliber barrel will last twice as long as the 6mm version.

 

[WayneShaw]

I'm not so sure just because you shoot a 6BR would automatically place you at the bottom of the list. There are some good shooting 6BR's, and some bad shooting 6PPC's. Don't plug into the follow the lemmings scenario, the PPC aint the only game in town.

But as far as making a HV group gun, you do that once you have a LV gun. Think about it, group matches are both heavy and light, 2 days worth of shooting. If you have a light gun, you can shoot it in heavy. But if only have a heavy, you can't shoot in light class, so you can only shoot half the match.

Build a light 6MM something, and learn to shoot it. Table manners plays a big part in shooting a LV. Once you master it, and you still want a heavy, then get one then.

 

[xswanted]

I suppose that makes sense....to build the lighter gun and shoot up with it.

So 6PPC....also what the old man thinks I'm still leaning towards a 6BR. It just seems simpler to me, no turn neck, good brass ready to buy. Like I said, I'm not trying to build a gun to have be the best. But it would be nice to be able to shoot a group in the "ones"!

So there is brass that can be purchased for this gun?

On the other side, if I have to form it, is it any tougher than fireforming or necking any other type of brass??

 

[superlight93]

Just keep in mind that the world record agg for group was was shot woth a 30br and we know they haven't been around near as long as the ppc.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/07/triumph-in-texas-jackie-schmidt-shoots-0-1118-5-target-agg-at-100-yards-with-30-br-best-in-history/

Jackie did some great shooting but it WAS NOT a world record.

 

[GSPV]

6PPC brass is available from Norma. I like it. I don't shoot as hot as some folks....

Turning necks is a function of the reamer used, not the PPC vs BR.

You can be competitive with a 30-30 if you are willing to put in the time and figure things out on your own. The main reason to go with the 6PPC is that there is a wealth of information out there on how to make it shoot...and stay in tune throughout the day.

Greg J

 

[GSPV]

http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?82941-Super-Shoot-Results

Look at the equipment lists in the thread above. In 13.5, every single top finisher explicitly says 6PPC. Case isn't.mentioned in the 10.5, but looking at the powder, you can tell that it is a PPC or very close.

Getting into BR is tough enough without swimming against the tide on your case in addition to everything else.

 

[eww1350]

Xswanted...after reading your posts...it is obvious that you need to attend several benchrest shoots to get a better picture of what the requirements are...if you want simple easy loading and shooting you can buy the brass fully prept for any neck dimension...and a chamber that does not require neck turned brass can be had in any caliber...just get your money out and you can have anything you want...but as in any competitive sport why not go with what is a tried and true winner.??
...an experienced/advanced BR shooter can make any number of cartridges shoot well...but a novice trying to break from the norm,.. he will have a hard time being sucessful...


Good Luck..!

 

[xswanted]

Xswanted...after reading your posts...it is obvious that you need to attend several benchrest shoots to get a better picture of what the requirements are...if you want simple easy loading and shooting you can buy the brass fully prept for any neck dimension...and a chamber that does not require neck turned brass can be had in any caliber...just get your money out and you can have anything you want...but as in any competitive sport why not go with what is a tried and true winner.??
...an experienced/advanced BR shooter can make any number of cartridges shoot well...but a novice trying to break from the norm,.. he will have a hard time being sucessful...


Good Luck..!

Yeah I'd like to get to a few with a gun that would "fit in".

I'm not a novice at the game of benchrest by any means, but I've never had or spent the money on a rifle that would qualify as a "target" or benchrest model. All my bench shooting revolves around shooting varmint guns in preparation for predator hunting.

However, the competition side of it intrigues me, and since I don't have the mental competency to do something half way, I figure if I'm going to go to a shoot, I might as well have something that could win!

After reading some more, sounds like a 6PPC would fit about perfect. I don't mind neck turning, just one of things that is busy work when I want to shoot!

So then....barrel length to get in the 10 pound class?? 20 or 22?

 

[eww1350]

Barrel lenght will be determined by the total weight of all the other components used to make the complete rifle...That is why I recommend you buy a good used 6ppc...you will save a bundle over having one built..but to answer your question...most new LV benchrest rifles will have a 21-3/4" barrel...if they have a tuner on them then the length an taper will vary slightly to offset the tuner weight...
If you are going to have a rifle built (by a BR gunsmith) you will only need to tell him what components you would like..he will adjust the barrel for the total weight...I suggest that you focus on type of stock you might want, type of action (remember not too heavy), right bolt or left bolt, and type of scope/rings you want to use...
Go to a BR match and ask to touch, feel and shoot some of the different type BR rigs before you decide...
Don't get hung up on internet advice..consider all the advice but sitting behind one sure makes a difference as to which stock, action and scope you prefer..That is why all the guns are not exact copies of each other...Also go to this websites main page and look at some of the guns of the week...some nice eye candy to contemplate...

 

[nonliberal]

Just keep in mind that the world record agg for group was was shot woth a 30br and we know they haven't been around near as long as the ppc.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/07/triumph-in-texas-jackie-schmidt-shoots-0-1118-5-target-agg-at-100-yards-with-30-br-best-in-history/

Jackie did some great shooting but it WAS NOT a world record.

Really? I guess it didn't get certified?

 

[xswanted]

Thanks guys! Great advice all the way around on here.

How willing are people at shoots to actually let you handle their firearms?

 

[LHSmith]

X's---I see you're from North Dakota. I suggest you go to the IBS and NBRSA websites and see how many clubs are in reasonable distance to you. There may be closer ranges that offer "club shoots" for fun...for those sites you may have to rely on input from this boards members. Hope you get to compete.

 

[xswanted]

X's---I see you're from North Dakota. I suggest you go to the IBS and NBRSA websites and see how many clubs are in reasonable distance to you. There may be closer ranges that offer "club shoots" for fun...for those sites you may have to rely on input from this boards members. Hope you get to compete.

Yep...eastern ND, right on the MN border.

I know there is a pretty active club near the cities (minnepolis st.paul area) so I imagine if I ever get the time I'll have to head down there. However, if I get a $2000 plus gun built....I'll make the time!

 

[jo191145]

Along the lines of LHSMITH's suggestion.

Make sure your building a rifle for a competition thats within reasonable distance.

No sense building a group gun to find no one is shooting group in your area. Or vice versa.
In some areas thats the defining factor in what type of BR a beginner should start. JMO

 

[xswanted]

Along the lines of LHSMITH's suggestion.

Make sure your building a rifle for a competition thats within reasonable distance.

No sense building a group gun to find no one is shooting group in your area. Or vice versa.
In some areas thats the defining factor in what type of BR a beginner should start. JMO

Also a good point! Thanks!

I think either way, I want a bench gun though. I have a nice range at home and could get by spending most of my time there making little holes!