What's up with Remington, are they gone again?

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I own but a single R700 in .223 and it shoots really well. A well respected gunsmith at home has told me the new RemArms actions, nothing said of the barrels, have needed nothing to get them to shoot well where he said older actions required blueprinting. He's put together several F-Class rifles using those new RemArms actions. That was a year or so ago so I would hope those actions currently manufactured haven't lost quality.
Edit.... my son manages a large LGS in Georgia and just told me they, RemArms, furloughed the entire assembly department a number of months ago. The name is still on the door but basically tits up....

All I could find on my Google machine that Remington had at the shot show was ammo. Maybe someone on here attended the shot show has more info on that?

 

[jpjulian]

All I could find on my Google machine that Remington had at the shot show was ammo. Maybe someone on here attended the shot show has more info on that?

Remington ammo is a different business than RemArms

 

[timeout]

Remington ammo is a different business than RemArms

I realize that. I did a Google search for Remington Arms at the shot show but apparently the only thing there with the Remington brand name was ammo.

 

[Gman]

I've been wondering if and when Ruger actions might start showing up on a competitive level - or various modifications of them??
Or has that already happened? jd

Ruger bolt actions are "cast steel".

I believe that "most if not all" custom bolt actions are "forged steel". Other than the high-quality forged aluminum actions made by Kelblys!

 

[jds holler]

Ruger bolt actions are "cast steel".

I believe that "most if not all" custom bolt actions are "forged steel". Other than the high-quality forged aluminum actions made by Kelblys!

Yeah, I believe you are right.
So is that a deal breaker for precision use? Are they not true, or -- ?
I could use some educating. jd

 

[DaveTooley]

Ruger's are investment cast which is not bad. Kelbly Panda's are made from billet aluminum with steel inserts. Neither are forged. Most are made from rolled round stock.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Catch up with the times, even Ruger is putting a side bolt release and adjustable triggers on their new Americans.

 

[mic2377]

I bought a few Rem 700's 2 years ago. These were from the latest batch of new manufacture. The accuracy was quite good from all of them, however one needed warranty work for an extractor issue.

RemArms just isn't competitive for a variety of reasons. Everyone here likes to blame leadership and executives, which is certainly a factor, but many good old American regular workers are pretty pi$$ poor too. Lazy, talentless hacks who are apathetic, led by executives concerned only by making more money for shareholders. A perfect storm.

The one thing that I think could have turned around RemArms several years ago was if they introduced a budget bare action that had a pinned recoil lug and accurate enough head spacing to take a prefit barrel. It would have just had to sell for what their budget rifles were going for, IE $350-450. And make sure that the quality is good. This would have undercut the market for $800-1000+ actions and almost certainly would have been very popular.

 

[K22]

In my world, Tikka has replaced them as the working man's go to rifle.

It's a shame because at one time the Remington 700 was the standard, at least in my day along with the great Winchester Model 70.

 

[North Fork]

What did Remington bring to the SHOT SHOW ?

nothing no guns

 

[Gman]

Ruger's are investment cast which is not bad. Kelbly Panda's are made from billet aluminum with steel inserts. Neither are forged. Most are made from rolled round stock.

I stand corrected on the "forged" Panda.

Thank You

 

[FarmallSM]

When Remington failed years ago Wally put every 700 on sale to clear them out. I bought 20+ adl/sps’s cheap. Strictly for the actions. All RR serial#’s. Every one of them got checked. All got the lugs lapped and face squared up. Many didn’t need it but I wanted the blueing that leaked past lug gone. About 1/4 got threads re cut. All got restocked, Bartlein barrels, & trigger tech triggers. ALL shot extremely well. All primary decent primary extraction. Not great mind you but functional.
Primary extraction becomes an issue when the smith tries to true up lugs, action&bolt on the lathe. Invariably they take too much off and end up with “0”. Weak primary extraction that functions just fine with factory ammo fails miserably with warm let alone hot hand loads.
The more ya’ll hate on Remington actions the cheaper they get.

 

[hoz53]

When Remington failed years ago Wally put every 700 on sale to clear them out. I bought 20+ adl/sps’s cheap. Strictly for the actions. All RR serial#’s. Every one of them got checked. All got the lugs lapped and face squared up. Many didn’t need it but I wanted the blueing that leaked past lug gone. About 1/4 got threads re cut. All got restocked, Bartlein barrels, & trigger tech triggers. ALL shot extremely well. All primary decent primary extraction. Not great mind you but functional.
Primary extraction becomes an issue when the smith tries to true up lugs, action&bolt on the lathe. Invariably they take too much off and end up with “0”. Weak primary extraction that functions just fine with factory ammo fails miserably with warm let alone hot hand loads.
The more ya’ll hate on Remington actions the cheaper they get.

i bought 2 or 3 of them | thats all i could find. anyway wat did you do with 20 ?

“cheaper they get” yeah i have 10 or so and may as well shoot them as i cant get anything these days 4 them

 

[hoz53]

I have had several FFL dealers that have been to various dist shows last year and this year, tell me that they are closed again, due to making total crap rifles. Is that so. I have seen guys selling some barreled actions for parts, due to the poor quality. Anyone know anything about this?

its a shame they couldnt make it work. Capitalism at its finest—— Remingtons were the great american rifles for alot of my life.

 

[Rat44]

I still hunt with a 78 Sportsman 30/06 I purchased in '87.
Barrel shortened,bolt trued ,trigger job and a Kevlar stock and it goes to the woods with me every year.
Shame,they used to make a good working mans tool.

 

[dryhumor]

The more ya’ll hate on Remington actions the cheaper they get.

I don’t look as much anymore, but I’ve noticed prices are actually creeping up, depending on model. So much that the cheap flexible plastic stocked ones are higher.

Remington failed to see the competition from the “value priced perfectly useable” rifles, that are/were in the 350-450 dollar range. People want to hunt and shoot, tastes change, and the appreciation for high blueing and nice wood moved on. Something as simple as removing iron sights from the BDLs could have garnered more market share, IMHO.

I figured they had quietly died. They moved, got tax breaks, and couldn’t compete. The last best thing they did, was the single shot actions. Had they paid attention, a side bolt release and M16 extractor could have made them competitive in a smaller market. Probably something a big investment group had no interest in.

 

[ELR LVR]

Don’t know what they teach at MBA schools.
Here’s what I know:
“The first business of business is to stay in business.”

This reminds me of what has happened to the stock market,
I used to do some investing, did due dilligence on a few companies etc
Played some stocks that were up and rising and doing well
innovative companies etc, such as maybe Solar companies, or Electronics etc
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Then the Money Marketers (MM's) with billions would step in and short sell the crap out of the stock
forcing the price down because short sells outweighted buyers
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no matter what as soon as a decent company was on the rise
and you thought you were going to start seeing consistent profit
they would drive the price into the ground.
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Seems like this is a similar game when big investors get ahold of something that could be good
it makes no sense to me
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why not keep driving prive up to maximize over the long run??
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but the quick money is to short sell

 

[Doug Casner]

Thats why I buy and hold. The problem is Ill still be holding when Im dead and gone. The traders on wall street will take the little guys money and laugh. Doug

 

[charlie b]

A wealthy friend taught me a lesson about the stock market I never forgot. The message is, unless you are in it big enough to influence it, you are at the mercy of the sharks.

He pointed out a few stocks that were starting to do well and told me to watch them for the next two weeks. He did some hefty buys and drove the price up a little, then stopped, watching others 'get on the bandwagon'. He let the stock triple in price and sold all his shares. The price dropped below where it was when he started. He more than doubled his money in 2 weeks. The companies lost value over the short term, but, survived. The only other investors who did ok stuck with the stock over a longer term. If they were lucky, they sold before the sharks found them again.

These days the computer based systems at the large investment firms drive it all.

 

[ELR LVR]

A wealthy friend taught me a lesson about the stock market I never forgot. The message is, unless you are in it big enough to influence it, you are at the mercy of the sharks.

He pointed out a few stocks that were starting to do well and told me to watch them for the next two weeks. He did some hefty buys and drove the price up a little, then stopped, watching others 'get on the bandwagon'. He let the stock triple in price and sold all his shares. The price dropped below where it was when he started. He more than doubled his money in 2 weeks. The companies lost value over the short term, but, survived. The only other investors who did ok stuck with the stock over a longer term. If they were lucky, they sold before the sharks found them again.

These days the computer based systems at the large investment firms drive it all.

Right, thats what I ended up learning, they're using computer algorithms to drive and influence
and since the computers can monitor, they pick up on any stock that is holding or about to go up
as soon as you think you found a good one out of thousands, and invest, you see the price slowly start dwindling in little time.
I don't have the discipline to hold a stock like that for years
I seem to have done better anticipating short term fluctuation before the opening Bell.
One stock I held (Oil company), expecting it to bounce back, never did,
we can't compete against the computer in that game
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I almost did Bitcoin when it was at $1800, but did not because I thought it was stupid
Make believe money, pffft, then watched it jump up to $60K in a couple years based on sentiment.
The market is not sensical anymore,