Why? SFP scopes scarcity

[Rob01]

You use FFP scopes when shooting prairie dogs?

I don’t shoot prairie dogs but shoot targets about there size.

 

[std7mag]

I've heard a lot of talk, about ranging with FFP scopes.
Yet the sniper wannabe's don't realize that typically there is a power setting on a SFO scope that allows you to range like a FFP.
It's just not the whole range of power available.

I'll agree with the Sightron SIII.
I picked one up used from here. 10-50X60 LRTD with 1/8 MOA clicks.

 

[Rob01]

I've heard a lot of talk, about ranging with FFP scopes.
Yet the sniper wannabe's don't realize that typically there is a power setting on a SFO scope that allows you to range like a FFP.
It's just not the whole range of power available.

I'll agree with the Sightron SIII.
I picked one up used from here. 10-50X60 LRTD with 1/8 MOA clicks.

Yup whatever power the reticle subtends correctly on a SFP scope can be used to range or use it for corresponding elevation or windage holds as well. Only problem is that that power may not be the power you want to be on to take a shot due to FOV or heavier mirage or due to mirage that power may not work for ranging with the target being blurred out with mirage waves and not giving clear edges to get a reading from.

Also ranging is just not with mil scopes as you can mil with moa scopes as well. Just a different formula or different side on the Mildot Master.

 

[Tommie]

I don’t shoot prairie dogs but shoot targets about there size.

Try it some time.
It’s an eye-opener.

 

[Rob01]

Try it some time.
It’s an eye-opener.

Ah not my thing but have fun.

 

[std7mag]

Yup whatever power the reticle subtends correctly on a SFP scope can be used to range or use it for corresponding elevation or windage holds as well. Only problem is that that power may not be the power you want to be on to take a shot due to FOV or heavier mirage or due to mirage that power may not work for ranging with the target being blurred out with mirage waves and not giving clear edges to get a reading from.

Also ranging is just not with mil scopes as you can mil with moa scopes as well. Just a different formula or different side on the Mildot Master.

Agree!
I still have a few BDC scopes.
But for the most part I have been changing over to MOA reticles.

I do have 2 older Redfield Revenge scopes that use the power adjustment to range with.
Use the cross hair at the bottom of the chest, or on the ground for coyotes. Then above the cross hair there are I think 3 small lines. 8", 16", 25". Think gopher, deer, elk. The 25" used for elk is also used for coyotes. For them you put the cross hair on the ground at their feet and then use the power ring to align with their back.

At the top of the reticle is a line that moves up and down as the power ring rotates. Line goes through numbers 2-6.

Cross hair zero is 200 yards. Where your line stops on the numbers is the distance that you hold for.
Crank power to max (12) hold and shoot.

Note, that your ballistics needs to match the BDC to work properly.

 

[shoot4fun]

When I got hooked on shooting prairie dogs 25 years ago most all my optics were inexpensive SFP that maxed to around 20X. They had target type turrets and duplex reticles along with parallax adjustment on the Objective lens. Today ALL those PD safer scopes are still around 20-25X with target (tactical) turrets but as @Tommie inferred they are all side focus. Most of them are SFP scopes but there are a couple FFP's in the mix and most are MOA. I am comfortable with both SFP and FFP and these days more comfortable with mrad turrets/reticles. As @Rob01 pointed out I can range and adjust more accurately and quickly using the FFP/mrad scopes and , even on rimfire rifles, prefer them over all others.
Those recommending that Argos scope are not picky about having huge reticles that block vision or adjustments that don't track true, IMO. I had one and I agree with @Bill Norris that it was not of even marginal quality.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Those recommending that Argos scope are not picky about having huge reticles that block vision or adjustments that don't track true, IMO. I had one and I agree with @Bill Norris that it was not of even marginal quality.

Yeah I think I’m gonna punt on the Chinese stuff. I bought a couple s3’s and I know what they are for sure so should be happy.

 

[std7mag]

I still don't understand how anyone thought that an adjustable objective was a good idea.
Especially for hunting.

I have one that I just set at 100 yards and leave it.

The only reasons that I can see is if it's cheaper and easier to make that way vs a side paralax.

Not much is said about them, but for the past few years I've been buying/using Crimson Trace scopes.
Glass is made in Japan, and is really good!
Controls are nice and smooth, and tracks well.
Give them a look.

 

[Allen Corneau]

I still don't understand how anyone thought that an adjustable objective was a good idea...

In my sport (Metallic Silhouette) easily 90% of the scopes on the line are front adjustable objective scopes, probably more.

We are shooting at four known distances and keeping the weight of the scope down to hit overall weight requirements is rather important.

My favorite scope is the Weaver T-24. The AO covers air rifle distances (20-45 yards) smallbore distances (40-100 meters) and high power distances (200-500 meters).

 

[Mark W]

I run this SFP Mueller on my target .22 and love it.

Mueller Target Rifle Scope 8-32x 44mm Target Dot Reticle Matte Black

The Mueller Target Rifle Scope is perfect for target shooters who can't afford to spend an arm and a leg to get a quality target scope. This scope...

www.midwayusa.com

I have a target dot on a pcp air rifle and a mil dot version on a 22-250. Not bad scopes for the money.

 

[charlie b]

ARGOS BTR GEN3 10-40X56 ABLR4 SFP MOA - Athlon Optics

The Argos BTR has our exclusive XPL coating that protects your lenses from dirt, grease and harsh weather conditions, making them great rifle scopes for PRS

athlonoptics.com

This the best out there? For the price?

I also bought one of those but the FFP version, it was on sale so I figured how bad could it be? I put it on my rimfire cause the focus at range sucked. Tracking isn't very precise either. It works ok for 50 and 100yd work.

I am not that particular about scopes, I just want good focus and to go back to a previous reticle setting. The Burris Fclass scope and Vortex PST 5-25x50 have both worked well for me at reasonable prices. I got both of them on sale as well. I wish I could justify a NF or similar, just can't.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

I also bought one of those but the FFP version, it was on sale so I figured how bad could it be? I put it on my rimfire cause the focus at range sucked. Tracking isn't very precise either. It works ok for 50 and 100yd work.

I am not that particular about scopes, I just want good focus and to go back to a previous reticle setting. The Burris Fclass scope and Vortex PST 5-25x50 have both worked well for me at reasonable prices. I got both of them on sale as well. I wish I could justify a NF or similar, just can't.

I’m not buying one now. It was a brief phase, a weak moment, but I’m through it now.

 

[charlie b]

LOL I understand.

I had a Vortex Diamondback (4-16) that I also got during a Christmas sale. That scope was surprisingly good for the price. But, I like more than 20X these days so I gave it to someone else. I wish it was easier to try out scopes before you buy them.

I thought about an Arken as well, but now I won't spend the money one one. Yeah, the reviewers like the expensive ones, but, for that money I'd rather pick up a used NF or similar.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Agree. I think it’d always be in the back of my mind, thinking that flyer might be the scope. I have trust issues. Seems like in order to keep the trust issues at bay these days you gotta be spending $1k minimum.

 

[std7mag]

LOL I understand.

I had a Vortex Diamondback (4-16) that I also got during a Christmas sale. That scope was surprisingly good for the price. But, I like more than 20X these days so I gave it to someone else. I wish it was easier to try out scopes before you buy them.

I thought about an Arken as well, but now I won't spend the money one one. Yeah, the reviewers like the expensive ones, but, for that money I'd rather pick up a used NF or similar.

Interesting.

I had bought one of the first gen Diamondback Tacticals.

Once I got it home and mounted, I discovered that I was disappointed in it.
At the range, and testing beside my Crossfire II, the more p***** off I was with it.
Optically it was no better than the Crossfire II. And cost over double.
Sold it for a loss.

 

[Rob01]

Interesting.

I had bought one of the first gen Diamondback Tacticals.

Once I got it home and mounted, I discovered that I was disappointed in it.
At the range, and testing beside my Crossfire II, the more p***** off I was with it.
Optically it was no better than the Crossfire II. And cost over double.
Sold it for a loss.

The gens have gotten better and so have the lower priced choices at Vortex with the newest Venom and Strike Eagle lines. They are much better than the older versions. They are better than the first Gen PSTs also.

 

[charlie b]

Interesting.

I had bought one of the first gen Diamondback Tacticals.

Once I got it home and mounted, I discovered that I was disappointed in it.
At the range, and testing beside my Crossfire II, the more p***** off I was with it.
Optically it was no better than the Crossfire II. And cost over double.
Sold it for a loss.

It probably is not that much better than the Crossfire. Vortex has so many different product lines it can get confusing as to which is really better. And if it is better in some way is that factor worth that much more?

I probably would have bought the Crossfire if the Diamondback had not been on sale. It was replacing the cheap 12X Bushnell that came with my Savage so just about anything would have been a step up.