220 swift

[jghoghunter]

There isn't anything that a 220 Swift can do that a 22 Creedmoor can't surpass.

WOW
Santa must have brought you some of that white dust he gives his reindeer to make them fly. Build, since you cant buy a swift to shoot say 85 gr. bergers and leave the needsmore in the dust!!

 

[Ironworker]

WOW
Santa must have brought you some of that white dust he gives his reindeer to make them fly. Build, since you cant buy a swift to shoot say 85 gr. bergers and leave the needsmore in the dust!!

If you go the custom rifle rout, a 220 Swift can be chambered in a 7.5 twist. My 8"twist 22 Creedmoor shoots those 85.5 gr Bergers just fine.

 

[Hotshot]

A 22 Creed is nothing more than a 22-250 improved. I've heard this crap all my life about how improving that cartridge is equal to or slightly better than the Swift. Fast twist barrels and high pressure powder charges do miracles. Blah blah blah. What if you improve the Swift cartridge? Go to a fast twist barrel? Load more powder than is safe in the cartridge? The 22-250 is left in the dust again.

 

[cowboybart]

Case capacity = fuel capacity = horsepower.
I've heard all about efficiency. The bottom line is can a small block run with a big block?? Yes. However, if you do the same things to a big block as you do to a small block - the big block wins every time!!
Put an 8 twist on a Swift, put a sharp shoulder on a Swift and it will stomp the Creed ad nauseam.

Long live revived posts!

 

[jghoghunter]

A 22 Creed is nothing more than a 22-250 improved. I've heard this crap all my life about how improving that cartridge is equal to or slightly better than the Swift. Fast twist barrels and high pressure powder charges do miracles. Blah blah blah. What if you improve the Swift cartridge? Go to a fast twist barrel? Load more powder than is safe in the cartridge? The 22-250 is left in the dust again.

Back in the early 90's I was going to build a 22/250 AI, told my Pap, got slapped in the back of the head. He said how dumb are you? Why would you take something smaller and make it ALMOST as big as something else you can buy off the shelf. Start with the biggest and make IT bigger. That was my first 220 weatherby rocket. There are a few people on here that don't understand the rules of physics. When you take one cartridge and make it as big as another one then all of a sudden you get velocities that trump the bigger cartridge by say some 2-300 fps and then they tell me it's all within the pressure limits and its safe. I say let me know when your shooting it at my range so I can go home because I don't want to be part of the investigation someday on how that guy lost the side of his head!! Incidentally those people are on my ignore list now and have been for a few years.

 

[jghoghunter]

If you go the custom rifle rout, a 220 Swift can be chambered in a 7.5 twist. My 8"twist 22 Creedmoor shoots those 85.5 gr Bergers just fine.

Please remember I'm just having fun. But when you start comparing apples to apples the needsmore is "just fine" before the needsmore would "surpass" the swift.

 

[Gary in MD]

The mighty Swift was introduced in 1935. Now, 90 years later, engineers have figured out how to EQUAL the great 220!!
When comparing cartridges, as it has been noted, we must assume equal twists and loaded to equal pressures. Otherwise, it's not apples to apples.
I'm not saying that I'm not going to try the 22CM, I've got one in the works. Hopefully it will at least equal the performance of the Swifts that I've owned.
Long live the Swift

 

[357Mag]

Case capacity = fuel capacity = horsepower.

Put an 8 twist on a Swift, put a sharp shoulder on a Swift and it will stomp the Creed ad nauseam.

Cowboybart-

Howdy !

As regards your comment, above….

The standard .220 Swift has a mild 21* shoulder angle…

When it comes to case modification(s):
IF you were to only sharpen the shoulder angle as mentioned….case capacity would decrease; as the area for powder underneath the shoulder would be decreased.
With the 21* shoulder angle of the slim standard case, this powder space is significant.

Additionally, the use of a longer/ heavier VLD bullet ( implied by the suggested twist ) would pretty much negate any powder space increase from the slightly longer neck a sharper shoulder angle might introduce.

To gain powder capacity along w/ using a sharper shoulder angle, the case’ shoulder diam would also need to be “ blown out “ to a larger diameter.

Not trying to be a wise a_ _ .


With regards,
357Mag

 

[cowboybart]

The case blow out was inferred within the sharp shoulder concept. I just kept it short.
Even with VLD's, I wouldn't seat below the neck/shoulder junction in any case, not just the Swift. Even in 300 Savage wildcats (Titus and IHMSA line) and in 284 wildcats, I don't seat below the neck/shoulder junction. If I had any 300 WM wildcats the same principle would apply.

 

[1lessdog]

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Ruger 220 Swift 1 - 14 twist shooting Hornady 52 gr Match HP. Them bullets have killed 100's of Coyotes and Red Fox

I have 22-250 AI and they are not as fast as the Swift

I have a 7 5 twist 22 Creedmoor. I want to build a 22 Creedmoor in a 1 - 14 twist and compare apples to apples. Running the 22 Creedmoor up against the 220 Swift and 22-250 AI. All of them with a 14 twist 26 inch barrels. And Remington 700 actions.
I would love to rechamber my Swift to a AI but it shoots to good to mess with.

Shooting the same bullet Hornady 52 gr Match HP

 

[357Mag]

The case blow out was inferred within the sharp shoulder concept. I just kept it short.
Even with VLD's, I wouldn't seat below the neck/shoulder junction in any case, not just the Swift. Even in 300 Savage wildcats (Titus and IHMSA line) and in 284 wildcats, I don't seat below the neck/shoulder junction. If I had any 300 WM wildcats the same principle would apply.

Cowboybob -

Howdy ! Thanx for clarifying.

Thinking out-loud….

If you impart “Ackley Improved “ features to the .220 Swift case, you will be
“ wildcatting “. You’d still be faced w/ the long cartridge o.a.l. when shooting VLDs.
Perhaps a non-issue…. if shooting these long cartridges from a single shot action.

For a shooter that has a bunch of .220Swift brass, and also a rifle(s) already set up for the case; wildcatting the stock case ( as mention ) makes sense.

At the same time…. wildcatting a different “ parent “ case could provide the desired case capacity, while enabling control of overall loaded cartridge length. This process could also apply in instances where a shorter loaded cartridge oal is desired for a
magazine-fed application.

.22-47L, .22XC, .22 Creed…. they too are wildcats, each one with a different case capacity. You’d be verifying where the ‘Swift AI lies on the .224” cal wildcat’ capacity “ line “.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[tstowater]

I have 3 220 Swifts and at least that many 22-250's and a very healthy supply of brass for both cartridges. My preference is still the Swift. That said, the 223WSSM is still faster. Haven't played with the 22 Creedmoor yet. Bought the 223WSSM to hunt pronghorns with. Haven't made it yet. Bucket list.

 

[gpoldblue]

When the 220 Swift came out in 1935,50,000psi was considered "high end". The 22 Creedmoor operates at about 62,000psi. Operate them both at the same pressures,same bullets,same barrels,etc,then see which is superior. I'd bet on the Swift.

 

[B23]

The 220 Swift is pretty much the OG hot rod particularly in the 22 caliber world and I think it'll always have a certain "cool" factor but like everything it isn't without its issues and limitations. Two of those being the available brass is mediocre at best and when fitted with a fast twist barrel to shoot the heavies a Swift presents COAL issues for nearly all factory short actions. The latter being less of an issue when built on actions like the Rem 700 where you can install aftermarket mag boxes that'll allow longer COAL's.

Debates will probably linger on till the end of time as to which hot rod 22 cal is the best or fastest but pretty much always whichever one has the most USEABLE case capacity and loaded to the same ACTUAL true and measured pressure using the same bullet and barrel length will win the velocity race.

Oh all the different hot rod 22 cals out there IMHO the easy button easily favors the 22 Creedmoor. Certainly not because the name "Creedmoor" is attached to it because I could careless what name it has but you can easily get top tier brass for it that requires no prep work fireforming etc. and with the heavy for caliber bullets fits in a short action with no modifications. Doesn't mean it's the best because the word "best" generally means something different to everyone but there is no denying it checks more boxes then most.

The Swift will always hold a special place for a lot of us. My dad had a Pre 64 Model 70 220 Swift that was my grandfather's who bought it new and as a kid I used to drool all over that thing thinking I couldn't wait for it to be mine but some POS stole it out of my dad's pickup in the mid 70's so that was the end of that.