Vartarg vs 20P

[tred1956]

20 VT Love it

 

[tred1956]

My LOOONG Range choice 20 TAC A death ray


20 TAC top two 20VT bottom two


Hard to find (& Expensive) but NO FORMING LOL

 

[searcher]

The big question is how much performance (velocity) do you want? The 20P will walk all over the Vartarg in that department, though if not using a brake, the Vartarg enables seeing one's hits much better - plus it uses much less powder and I'd guess the barrel would last much longer, though a .20P will shoot many thousands of rounds accurately. If I were out to do high-volume varmint control, mostly within 300 yards or so, or wanted what might provide the longest barrel life, I'd choose the Vartarg. If I'm poking out to 500+ regularly, I'd choose the Practical, hands down. If I wanted the easiest brass prep, again - the Practical would be the choice. If you don't like making brass - I'd just buy some off someone like the CZKid on this site. If one went on shoots requiring a lot of brass (500-1,000 pieces or more?), learning to make it would make a lot of sense. I have shot, but don't own the Vartarg. I have owned several 20P's for a number of years. If I didn't already have a super accurate .17 Hornet for the 0-250 yard stuff (I love the low sound level), I'd be an owner of the Vartarg as well.

 

[Mike in Oregon]

The big question is how much performance (velocity) do you want? The 20P will walk all over the Vartarg in that department, though if not using a brake,

I'm jumping in on this respectfully.

No brake required on any 20 to see kills. I can see all kills up through a 22-250 and even 243 at times. Granted, there varmint rifles with 26-inch HB's.

As for fps, we're talking about 300 fps difference. Yes?

I choose the 20P to replace my 204, due to price of brass and then efficiency, basically for a 4000 fps rifle. However, I will be setting mine up for 39/40 grainers. I also took it on as a newbie in the wildcat scene.

I guess if I had too choose one, it would be the 20P because it covers all my needs with efficiency and simplicity. IMHO.

 

[searcher]

I'm jumping in on this respectfully.

No brake required on any 20 to see kills. I can see all kills up through a 22-250 and even 243 at times. Granted, there varmint rifles with 26-inch HB's.

As for fps, we're talking about 300 fps difference. Yes?

I choose the 20P to replace my 204, due to price of brass and then efficiency, basically for a 4000 fps rifle. However, I will be setting mine up for 39/40 grainers. I also took it on as a newbie in the wildcat scene.

I guess if I had too choose one, it would be the 20P because it covers all my needs with efficiency and simplicity. IMHO.

I liked my .243 for many years, though I didn't really love my .243 until I put a brake on it. I'm not recoil shy, but the greatly improved view of hits with a brake on any varmint cartridge is appealing and very effective. I see that there are even a lot of brakes on custom .22 rimfires and small .17's these days, though I think that is a bit much, especially with a heavy-barreled rifle. With the brakes on my 20P A/R's, it is pretty neat to be able to just follow a ground squirrel-sized critter, shooting at it, seeing exactly where the impact was, and firing again with very little recovery. I doubt I'll ever have a .223-or-higher cartridge varmint rifle without a brake again. Only downside is all the extra noise - but I wear muffs anyway - so no difference there either. And yes, you are looking at around 300 fps +/-

 

[Mike in Oregon]

I liked my .243 for many years, though I didn't really love my .243 until I put a brake on it. I'm not recoil shy, but the greatly improved view of hits with a brake on any varmint cartridge is appealing and very effective. I see that there are even a lot of brakes on custom .22 rimfires and small .17's these days, though I think that is a bit much, especially with a heavy-barreled rifle. With the brakes on my 20P A/R's, it is pretty neat to be able to just follow a ground squirrel-sized critter, shooting at it, seeing exactly where the impact was, and firing again with very little recovery. I doubt I'll ever have a .223-or-higher cartridge varmint rifle without a brake again. Only downside is all the extra noise - but I wear muffs anyway - so no difference there either. And yes, you are looking at around 300 fps +/-

I hear you. For the rat patch and ground squirrels, a 243 is serious overkill, as well as a 22-250, as I shot back in the day. The twenties fit the bill nicely! IMHO.

I agree on the rimfires, but I'm thinking the brake in more intended for BR or some form of competition.

I think the 223 is as far as I would go in the rat patch. I have one ready to go, but now that I'm building a 20P, IDK.

 

[searcher]

I hear you. For the rat patch and ground squirrels, a 243 is serious overkill, as well as a 22-250, as I shot back in the day. The twenties fit the bill nicely! IMHO.

I agree on the rimfires, but I'm thinking the brake in more intended for BR or some form of competition.

I think the 223 is as far as I would go in the rat patch. I have one ready to go, but now that I'm building a 20P, IDK.

Yeah- I agree on caliber size for rat patch. I use .22 rimfire, .17 Hornet, 20P and .223. If I'm shooting much past 450 or so, I will usually pull out the .22 Nosler or 6BR. The .243 just doesn't do much those won't do, especially since I'm shooting rather light bullets in my .243. It favors the 58 V-Max, which doesn't provide any advantage, however super accurate. I have some 75 V-Max bullets I want to try in the .243. Just haven't gotten around to it. Even then, I'd probably opt for the lower-recoil and powder usage of the 6BR. I like both the 20P and the .223, but the 20P is really nice in not having to dial up anything within 250-275 yards.