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243 range on - deer

My grandson ( when 12-13 y/o ) made 5 Trip's, in Spring / Summer to, the Rolling Hill, Desert country, to PRACTICE at, 10 inch Dia, Steel Plates from, 200 to 375 yards BEFORE We ever, let him shoot at,.. a Live animal !
IMO,. the "Stump Shooter", AIN'T going to get, very many " Open Country" Animals for, the Freezer !

What about if one is the guy that heads out to take a couple of shots at a stump at the beginning of the season, then heads right to the woods???

Danny
 
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The internal Devastation of, the "Boiler Room" from, the 87 gr. Berger's was AWESOME, on both Bucks and they, immediately "Froze Up" and,.. COLLAPSED !
My point is that deer ( and everything else) have been killed forever with weapons that generate varying levels of energy, far below 1000ft/lbs. I have heard this "rule" touted for years, and it's complete BS.
 
I said the muzzle energy thing so you could how fast those smaller bullets lose energy. My shoulder bothers me alot and I was gonna take a 22-250 till I looked at the energy chart. Better off loading down my 3006 and 150s but Im not gonna shoot at one a quarter mile either. Doug
 
At what yardage does your bullet drop below the velocity that it will still expand? Most bullets will expand at around 2000 fps, some will expand at a little lower velocity. So if your bullet drops below 2000 fps at 400 yards then that is about as far as you should shoot game. Foot pounds of energy are basically meaningless except for comparison purposes.
 
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223 is legal here in Mn and we have big bodied whitetail. Most deer (across the country)are harvested short of 200 yards. Use a deer bullet(no target/fmj) and make an accurate shot.
A 25 Auto is legal here. Doesn't mean it should be used. Gotta love those that put that in ..Any centerfire .224 and larger.
 
The whole 1000ft/lbs thing is ridiculous. Whoever made up that BS should be in politics
Correct I was on a deer control permit, antlerless only all you can shoot. I chose my 204 caliber with Hornady NTX Superformance 24 grain at 4400 fps, I shot a dozen deer in two full days, all DRT, furthest lasered shot at 300 yards in the neck dropped like a stone. Not one deer didn't drop within 50 yards.At 300 yards, I believe I had about 300 ft lbs of juice maybe a hair less.It's the man behind the rifle in most cases.training and practice is key, and decent equipment.
 
Was it Elmer Keith, use enough gun?

Just because animals fall from little bitty bullets at extended ranges does not mean that they are ideally suited. I often hear of people using 243 on elk because its all the kid or woman can handle for recoil. No problem, just don't miss the kill zone. I've killed some 150 pound animals with one shot from a 22-250 with varmint bullets, that doesn't make it a good choice. A little extra power and bullet mass is not needed for the perfect shot to the vitals, but it sure is a good thing if the shot isn't placed just perfectly, or the animal doesn't present a perfect broadside shot.

Deer with a 243? I'd say 300 yards tops, preferably 250 or less.
 
At what yardage does your bullet drop below the velocity that it will still expand? Most bullets will expand at around 2000 fps, some will expand at a little lower velocity. So if your bullet drops below 2000 fps at 400 yards then that is about as far as you should shoot game. Foot pounds of energy are basically meaningless except for comparison purposes.
+1 on this. More important to take velocity into account in terms of bullet expansion and terminal effect than raw energy.

I completely agree on a similar floor of 2000 fps. Some bullets are quite soft and will still expand/fragment at 1700-1800 fps, others (like Barnes mono bullets) do better when kept 2200+ fps otherwise they have a very narrow wound channel.


The above website has a very scientific analysis of velocity, range, bullet type, and caliber. All of their observations have borne out in practice for me.
 
Recquired "energy" to kill game. Would like to see the study that set the standards for various game animals. Most likely something written as fill for an article in the 50's or earlier and has been repeated and added to over the decades. I have been told for years not to use a varmint bullet on deer, my real world experience doing so is 100% successful. If the round hits where it is supposed to the animal is dead.
 
Lefty, I need to get some of those 87's!
They really work "Well" on Deer and my grandson Practiced on, Steel Plates with, the Same Load, using, 87 gr, V-Maxes ( Cheaper to practice with ) but, they were Not quite, as Accurate ( 1/2 to 5/8th's MOA ) and slightly slower,.. for some reason. ( Probably NOT quite, as "Precise" of, a Bullet as, the Berger's ?? )
 
What range do you practice at? If you can reliably hit a grape fruit at 300 yards in field conditions with your hunting load then you should be good to 300 yards IMHO. Shot placement matters more than anything IMHO. Though I do put a considerable weight on bullet construction as well.

If you have to back off to 200 yards, to achieve reliable 1st shot placement in field conditions, then restrict shooting distance accordingly IMHO.
 
I have a friend in Minn that is killing large mule deer in Montana with a 6x47 Lapua shooting the 90g Sierra game changer using a hot load of Varget. His last HUGE buck was at 570 yards, and his son uses the same rifle now, also.

Shot placement is more important than most would think. Here is a short story. My last Antelope buck was taken at 470 yards with a well worn Rem 788 in 223 with 55g Winchester soft points with a muzzle velocity of 3050 fps. We had a late p.dog hunt and also had antelope tags. We had been shooting p. dogs and had moved the truck, and I forgot to pick up my wind flag. Before we started shooting after the truck move, we had lunch, cleaned a couple of guns. We got set up to start shooting again, and I was glassing where we had been set up previously. An antelope buck was wiping his scent glands on the red yarn of the wind flag! I ranged him, dialed up the 6.5x20 Leupold and held a little for wind, right behind the front leg. At the shot, he collapsed.

Your house could not hold the number of deer and hogs that my family has killed with the 100g Hornady BTSP shot with various 243 Win and 6 Remingtons. Out of boredom, we have played with 105g g Hornady BTHP that does stabalize in the Rem 9.25" twist barrels, loaded hot with IMR 4350/R#22. The 105g Berger VLD Hunting bullet is worth buiding a rifle around.

My good friends in Oklahoma shoot their 243s with 85g Speer BTSP, several generations of them, they had rather fight than switch. Owning 243s is like a cult to that family of farmers, I have never seen anything like it....they are shooters who always have a 243 in the cab of their Air conditioned Tractor.

Western hunting where the deer can travel 100 yards after being hit is not big deal at all, but in the South, a running deer can mean a lost deer. All of my family uses higher power, variable scopes, they can place the shot well, and they shoot off and on all year long. Deer seem to run further with a 95g Partition than some other bullets, but they are running dead with complete penetration, no matter what the angle. The 95g Partition is the most accurate partition of any I have ever shot with the 85g Partition being tied with the 22 caliber-60g partiton as being the least accurate.

I shot a few deer with the 85g Barnes TSX, one facing me around 100 yards. The bullet broke a shoulder and was under the skin in the rear hip. The load was 44.5g of R#19 at 3300 fps. I always shoot deer though the shoulders when using barnes bullets. A pard uses the 80g Barnes TTSX at 3400 with IMR 4064, and he gets more internal damage than I do with the 85's.

With all these varied experiences with 243s, it is obvious that the caliber is a winner with light recoil and accuracy.
 

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