Time to make the donuts....

[liseo]

I don't think increasing the shaft diameter will add anything to the press as the shaft is operating in compression, if you build a press that operates on the same principle as the Lee (and most others) the links, pivots and frame operate under tension

Kiwi, Since English is not my language, I think I'm not using the correct terms. Here's a drawing of what I'm planning.

 

[RGRobinett]

The new Ulrich bullet swage press has now pointed several thousand bullets (mostly thirty Cal. 10 ogive) , as expected, without a hitch - it is simply TERRIFIC! Ten ogive thirty Cal. require the most effort of any
of the bullets I make - most presses are 'wanting' leverage for .30 Cals. When I switched over to pointing some 10 ogive 88 Gr. FB .25 Cal. bullets, the effort went on vacation . . . 6mm and .224s will be just waving the lever up & down.

Getting to that level required a modification, which I believe George will tolerate (hell, he ain't gettin' it back!) and may well consider it an option - a simple ball on the end of the lever, to accommodate an aging hand and wrist! I'm guessing that a shiny DOO-DAD bronze ball would be worth some serious dinaro!

I'll probably obtain a larger ball - this is just a spare RCBS 2" Dia. ball - will likely end up with a 3" ball.
The ball greatly improved the ergonomics. A simple installation: drilled a proper sized bore & threaded 5/8"-11tpi with a cheap tap.

That bucket of Blackmon .224 jackets are some left over from a purchase I made, what seems, 'almost 100 years ago', before MR. Blackmon sold his jacket drawing equipment.
RG

P.S. I was able to air-drop a couple of short videos to Al, which he may be able to post here - I am unable to post video. If Al is able to accomplish the mission, I'll add a few comments - the video displays a couple of interesting results of leverage at work.

 

[Kiwishooter]

The new Ulrich bullet swage press has now pointed several thousand bullets (mostly thirty Cal. 10 ogive) , as expected, without a hitch - it is simply TERRIFIC! Ten ogive thirty Cal. require the most effort of any
of the bullets I make - most presses are 'wanting' leverage for .30 Cals. When I switched over to pointing some 10 ogive 88 Gr. FB .25 Cal. bullets, the effort went on vacation . . . 6mm and .224s will be just waving the lever up & down.

Getting to that level required a modification, which I believe George will tolerate (hell, he ain't gettin' it back!) and may well consider it an option - a simple ball on the end of the lever, to accommodate an aging hand and wrist! I'm guessing that a shiny DOO-DAD bronze ball would be worth some serious dinaro!

I'll probably obtain a larger ball - this is just a spare RCBS 2" Dia. ball - will likely end up with a 3" ball.
The ball greatly improved the ergonomics. A simple installation: drilled a proper sized bore & threaded 5/8"-11tpi with a cheap tap.

That bucket of Blackmon .224 jackets are some left over from a purchase I made, what seems, 'almost 100 years ago', before MR. Blackmon sold his jacket drawing equipment.
RG
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That 2" ball gives some context to the size of Georges press

 

[dcali]

That thing is screaming for an 8 ball handle.

 

[ridgeway]

I got these from McMaster...

 

[Mulligan]

The new Ulrich bullet swage press has now pointed several thousand bullets (mostly thirty Cal. 10 ogive) , as expected, without a hitch - it is simply TERRIFIC! Ten ogive thirty Cal. require the most effort of any
of the bullets I make - most presses are 'wanting' leverage for .30 Cals. When I switched over to pointing some 10 ogive 88 Gr. FB .25 Cal. bullets, the effort went on vacation . . . 6mm and .224s will be just waving the lever up & down.

Getting to that level required a modification, which I believe George will tolerate (hell, he ain't gettin' it back!) and may well consider it an option - a simple ball on the end of the lever, to accommodate an aging hand and wrist! I'm guessing that a shiny DOO-DAD bronze ball would be worth some serious dinaro!

I'll probably obtain a larger ball - this is just a spare RCBS 2" Dia. ball - will likely end up with a 3" ball.
The ball greatly improved the ergonomics. A simple installation: drilled a proper sized bore & threaded 5/8"-11tpi with a cheap tap.

That bucket of Blackmon .224 jackets are some left over from a purchase I made, what seems, 'almost 100 years ago', before MR. Blackmon sold his jacket drawing equipment.
RG
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This is killing me, I cannot wait to see my press arrive in the mail.
Randy, let us know what angle for the press.

CW

 

[jackieschmidt]

Am I the only bullet maker that prefers the presses mounted vertical.?

 

[dcali]

Am I the only bullet maker that prefers the presses mounted vertical.?

Possibly. Come to the dark side.

 

[geo.ulrich]

Am I the only bullet maker that prefers the presses mounted vertical.?

for flat base it really doesn't matter but for bt's where you need to put the bullet in the die so you don't screw up so many punches yes flat or on an angle helps, there's always some in the class that are a problem

 

[dcali]

I’ve never met a punch I couldn’t mangle, sideways or not.

 

[DW T or C]

A little bit off subject but has anyone created a video of themselves going through the core seating and point up process? I'm looking for how some out there are actually making the bullet. I've been making bullets for years but feel there are some out there that are much faster or more efficient in their motions to get the bullet finished.

 

[RGRobinett]

Am I the only bullet maker that prefers the presses mounted vertical.?

Jackie, I've got almost any angle one can think useful: vertical; horizontal; angled - it's different angles for different jobs . . . and, different muscles & tendons! RG

 

[jackieschmidt]

I always insert the core seated jacket in the die and then follow it with the punch. I’s kinda of a fine line between bullet in, up comes press as finger moves out of the way.

Of course, if things do not go as they should, your finger gets intruduced to the concentrated pressure generated by tip of that punch.

I do it this way because with the 30 point up, I can use my body to apply the pressure on the handle rather than just my arm and shoulder.

Which brings up a point that no body has talked about in this thread.

Several years ago, a very well known bullet maker and Hall of Fame Shooters gave details on seating cores to where the core seated jacket is undersized from the finis diameter of the bullet. The idea was, there is always a small amount of spring back with the jacket, which is a copper alloy. However, the lead core has zero spring back. If the seated core is the same size as the finished bullet, it could produce a loose core.

Or something like that.

I tried it. I put just enough core pressure on the seated jacket so the core seated jacket was a tenth under the final bullet size.
They were the worst shooting bullet I ever made. So I continued seating the cores where they have a certain “feel” coming out of the core seating punch, (and of course the correct length), and they are the same size as the finished shank on the bullet, which is .3081.
When I insert it into the point up die, it sticks enough so I can get my finger out of the way.

 

[andrewc6.5]

Am I the only bullet maker that prefers the presses mounted vertical.?

Nope. I like to do it vertically. And pressing a little green button is awfully tiring

 

[dcali]

I always insert the core seated jacket in the die and then follow it with the punch. I’s kinda of a fine line between bullet in, up comes press as finger moves out of the way.

Of course, if things do not go as they should, your finger gets intruduced to the concentrated pressure generated by tip of that punch.

I do it this way because with the 30 point up, I can use my body to apply the pressure on the handle rather than just my arm and shoulder.

Which brings up a point that no body has talked about in this thread.

Several years ago, a very well known bullet maker and Hall of Fame Shooters gave details on seating cores to where the core seated jacket is undersized from the finis diameter of the bullet. The idea was, there is always a small amount of spring back with the jacket, which is a copper alloy. However, the lead core has zero spring back. If the seated core is the same size as the finished bullet, it could produce a loose core.

Or something like that.

I tried it. I put just enough core pressure on the seated jacket so the core seated jacket was a tenth under the final bullet size.
They were the worst shooting bullet I ever made. So I continued seating the cores where they have a certain “feel” coming out of the core seating punch, (and of course the correct length), and they are the same size as the finished shank on the bullet, which is .3081.
When I insert it into the point up die, it sticks enough so I can get my finger out of the way.

That mirrors my experience. I've never gone that light, but the only bad bullets I've made were the ones where I didn't seat the core hard enough. I've also noticed that poorly seated cores are the ones that get stuck in the point up die. I'm sure there are a bunch of ways to skin this cat, but I do know it's important.

 

[geo.ulrich]

A little bit off subject but has anyone created a video of themselves going through the core seating and point up process? I'm looking for how some out there are actually making the bullet. I've been making bullets for years but feel there are some out there that are much faster or more efficient in their motions to get the bullet f

A little bit off subject but has anyone created a video of themselves going through the core seating and point up process? I'm looking for how some out there are actually making the bullet. I've been making bullets for years but feel there are some out there that are much faster or more efficient in their motions to get the bullet finished.

A little bit off subject but has anyone created a video of themselves going through the core seating and point up process? I'm looking for how some out there are actually making the bullet. I've been making bullets for years but feel there are some out there that are much faster or more efficient in their motions to get the bullet finished.

I always insert the core seated jacket in the die and then follow it with the punch. I’s kinda of a fine line between bullet in, up comes press as finger moves out of the way.

Of course, if things do not go as they should, your finger gets intruduced to the concentrated pressure generated by tip of that punch.

I do it this way because with the 30 point up, I can use my body to apply the pressure on the handle rather than just my arm and shoulder.

Which brings up a point that no body has talked about in this thread.

Several years ago, a very well known bullet maker and Hall of Fame Shooters gave details on seating cores to where the core seated jacket is undersized from the finis diameter of the bullet. The idea was, there is always a small amount of spring back with the jacket, which is a copper alloy. However, the lead core has zero spring back. If the seated core is the same size as the finished bullet, it could produce a loose core.

Or something like that.

I tried it. I put just enough core pressure on the seated jacket so the core seated jacket was a tenth under the final bullet size.
They were the worst shooting bullet I ever made. So I continued seating the cores where they have a certain “feel” coming out of the core seating punch, (and of course the correct length), and they are the same size as the finished shank on the bullet, which is .3081.
When I insert it into the point up die, it sticks enough so I can get my finger out of the way.

Jackie, That goes back to Jonas Helgremsonn in the 50's that pioneered bullet making that we are still using. the expand up theory. you should have some bump up, I would say the die was probably not filled out with the pressure you used ..

 

[geo.ulrich]

A little bit off subject but has anyone created a video of themselves going through the core seating and point up process? I'm looking for how some out there are actually making the bullet. I've been making bullets for years but feel there are some out there that are much faster or more efficient in their motions to get the bullet finished.

I tried to load some short videos but it says they are to large I'll see if I can send them via a private message nope still wont work sorry

 

[Kiwishooter]

I tried to load some short videos but it says they are to large I'll see if I can send them via a private message nope still wont work sorry

What size are the files George?

 

[D Coots]

Post video to u-tube account, then copy and paste link.

 

[geo.ulrich]

What size are the files George?

one is 10771 kb the other is 550 kb