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10mm questions...

Is it reasonable to expect to hit 1200 fps out of a 4.6" barrel using 200 grain hard cast projectiles?
I have been using several powders and can't seem to hit that speed out of my M&P. The bullet is a Montana bullet gas checked hardcast 200 grain. I've tried .400 and .401. I can get to around 1140 or so before running out of "book" room. I'm at about 4500 feet, if that matters. It's been hot lately too, so cold isn't an issue. Powders have been Longshot, Power Pistol, and AA #9.
 
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Is it reasonable to expect to hit 1200 fps out of a 4.6" barrel using 20 grain hard cast projectiles?
I have been using several powders and can't seem to hit that speed out of my M&P. The bullet is a Montana bullet gas checked hardcast 200 grain. I've tried .400 and .401. I can get to around 1140 or so before running out of "book" room. I'm at about 4500 feet, if that matters. It's been hot lately too, so cold isn't an issue. Powders have been Longshot, Power Pistol, and AA #9.
I’ve shot a M&P but not sure if i chronographed it, I have and do shoot Montana 200 gr hard cast outta my 6” 1911 with AA#9 and hit over 1200 I would have to look up exact numbers
Wayne
 
I get just over 1200 fps through three 6 inch 10MMs. These are an STI Perfect 10, Dan Wesson Bruin and Dan Wesson Kodiak. This is with 200 grain WFNGC bullets and 10 grains of Blue Dot.

AA#9 produces good velocity as does Longshot but I think you might go over max pressure trying to get 1200 fps out of a 4.6 inch barrel regardless of powder.
 
Most of my 10mm shooting is done with a Berry's thick plate 165 gr HP over a stiff charge of HS-6. If a 200 is needed the load below is worth looking into. Tim Sundles really did his homework. He said he sells more 10mm than any other cartridge.

Copied from Buffalo Bore web site


Heavy 10mm Ammo
200 gr. F.M.J. - (1,200 fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs.)
20 Round Box

ITEM 21A


The Buffalo Bore Heavy 10 mm ammo is the result of many years of customer's requests that we produce several such loads for the 10 mm.

These loads bring out the full potential of the 10MM but operate at standard pressures and as such, are safe to use in any standard 10mm pistol. Please don't phone us and ask if these loads are safe in your 10mm - THEY ARE - provided your 10mm is a normal operating pistol in good condition.

We are using flash-suppressed powders so your vision will not be materially affected should you be required to drop the hammer in low light.

If you are firing this 10mm ammo from an autoloader and experience high extreme spreads in velocity, it is not the ammo. Here is why and how to remedy the situation.

Full power 10mm ammo has always generated enough recoil and pressure to require a pretty stiff recoil spring in your handgun - that, of course, depends on several variables such as your slide weight, etc. When the cartridge fires, it generates enough pressure/recoil to prematurely open your breech face in some guns. When this happens, the opening breech face has an effect on the burn rate of the powder. This can result in some fairly high extreme spreads in velocity. If you are experiencing extreme velocity spreads of more than 50 fps, simply install a stiffer recoil spring.

For Example:

I have an original Colt Delta Elite. This gun with the factory spring runs extreme spreads of about 35 fps with both of these 10mm loads. I am happy with 35 fps, so I leave the Delta Elite as is. I also have a custom built Para Ordnance with a Nowlin barrel. It runs extreme spreads of about 70 fps with its original recoil spring. When I install a spring that is 4 lbs stiffer, the extreme spread drops to about 35 fps. The new Glock model 20 comes with a recoil spring that allows the breech face to open too soon and my new Glock model 20 will get extreme spreads of about 100fps with the factory spring installed. When I go to a stiffer recoil spring, the extreme spreads drop to about 50 fps in my new Glock model 20. Of course, none of this will be an issue in a revolver. None of this will be an issue in real life either, as these high extreme spreads don't hurt accuracy or function. However, I mention this because if you are like me and want things to be as correct as possible, I have outlined the problem and the solution. The industry fixed all these problems initially, by watering down the 10mm ammo over the last several years. The watered down 10mm ammo does not generate the pressure/recoil to open the breech face early. If you want the full powered 10mm ammo we make, you simply need to tweak your pistol. Or just realize that you are getting some fairly high extreme spreads and ignore it or live with it. It's not hurting anything in reality.

Please understand that we get hundreds of emails per day. If we don't answer your email, it is not because we don't value your patronage, but it is because we simply don't have the manpower to answer so many emails. Thank you for your business. Have fun and be safe.

Please note below, my personal velocities taken from real pistols:
> 1198 fps - Glock model 20 4.6-inch barrel
> 1223 fps - Colt Delta Elite 5-inch barrel
> 1244 fps - Para Ordinance 1911 with Nowlin 5-inch barrel
 
Ive done a bunch of load development with the MBW 200gr HC-GC and their 200gr HC-PB out of my barsto barreled Glock 40 10mm and Dan Wesson Bruin.. I dont know about 1200 out of a 4.6" with a really snappy high recoil load. Longshot is your ticket to get close. I'd prefer a much more controlled accurate shooting load in the 1125-1175 range and thst bullet will penetrate.

Talking with the great people over at MBW, they said find a load you can shoot well in the 1100-1200 range and the 200gr HC-GC will penetrate no problem.


I started with N350 and its VERY accurate
and very low SD but cant grt up to 1200.. I then started testing with W572 and its excellent. Very accurate and gets me to 1220 with low single digit SD's...

I also tried Longshot which got me a little more speed but not much over W572 with same low single digit SD and a little better accuracy out of the Glock Barsto barrel.




I also just started doing some load workup with the Lehigh Xtreme 140gr bullet out of my 10mms...

Here is initial testing out of both guns with Power Pistol... my goal was hitting that 1500 mark that Underwood hits with this same bullet... Power Pistol just couldn't get there. I loaded up another test with Longshot that gets to the 1500 mark no problem no pressure.. much less recoil than a 200gr HC round too with the lighter 140gr bullet..



9mm 90gr Xtreme Defender on left and 10mm 140gr Xtreme Penetrator on right





If you would like all the testing and details of my 10mm testing with all the powders and bullets you can find them here


 
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Also, doing some research and talking to some people, Im told but dont know how true it is that Underwood uses Silhouette in their 10mm load. I bought a few jugs of it but havent tested it yet, its next on the list...
 

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