Powder measures....???

[bobinpa]

Which is faster, a manual like a Harrells or an electronic (RCBS, Lyman, etc)??

Which is more accurate? Manual or electronic?

Just thought I'd ask for a couple opinions...

 

[Boilermaker]

I have a Neil Jones, Lyman Gen 6 and an Autotrickler. The Neil Jones is the fastest, the Autotrickler is the most accurate.

The Lyman takes close to 30 seconds to throw charge of N133 for PPC. It will get within .1 gr of set weight. The Autotrickler takes 10-12 seconds. That gets within .02 gr of set weight. The Neil Jones manual trickler takes a couple seconds to throw a charge. It is usually within .1 gr of set weight, but I have noticed some problem charges that are .4 gr low. I am sure those are user induced.

 

[Bob3700]

U ask which is faster and most accurate. To me, I ask first which is most accurate. That would be the first goal, then figure out how fast the measure can repeat that.
Manual measure accuracy is dependent on technique. Fire up ur scale and try several different techniques with the manual measure and see which delivers the most consistent result.
The type of powder will also affect the accuracy and speed result. Smaller kernels/ ball powder will be easier to meter than large stick types.
Electronic measure/ scales accuracy will be determined by the sensing system. The less expensive units use strain gauges n are limited to their accuracy n repeatability.
What is ur criteria for the range of powder wt. u require. Shooting XC with an AR will not be sensitive to variations that most any good manual/ electronic measure will produce.
F- Open at 1K is another story.
If ur requirement is the latter, a force balanced scale and a trickler can produce the highest accuracy. Be prepared to spend the money for the result u are seeking.

 

[bobinpa]

Thank you for the replies.
To clarify a bit... I sold my RCBS powder dispenser years ago because I wasn't using it much if at all. I had become just as fast by manually using a dipper and trickling up on a 10-10 beam scale. I love the accuracy and precision of it.
Now I'm planning a prairie dog hunt and I need to speed the process up. I'm considering buying either a quality manual dispenser like a Harrells or an electronic dispenser. I'm not sure if the electronic would be faster but maybe less tedious. However, if a Harrells would produce "minute of prairie dog" charges, I may go that route because I know it's faster and less tedious.
My concern is that I am using H4350 which is known to not meter well through a dispenser...

Give me your opinions please.

 

[nettle]

I use a Harrell's and a 10-10 and trickle up. A Harrell's isn't going to be any faster than your old RCBS. I think trickling up using a manual scale the most accurate. From decades in the machine trades I don't trust electronic measuring devices.

 

[SeabeeKen]

I use a Harrell's and a 10-10 and trickle up. A Harrell's isn't going to be any faster than your old RCBS. I think trickling up using a manual scale the most accurate. From decades in the machine trades I don't trust electronic measuring devices.

^^^^^^this
I can throw and trickle about as fast as my chargemaster lite and my beam scale works great for me

 

[precision1]

I use a Harrell's and a 10-10 and trickle up. A Harrell's isn't going to be any faster than your old RCBS. I think trickling up using a manual scale the most accurate. From decades in the machine trades I don't trust electronic measuring devices.

Amen same here

 

[precision1]

Which is faster, a manual like a Harrells or an electronic (RCBS, Lyman, etc)??

Which is more accurate? Manual or electronic?

Just thought I'd ask for a couple opinions...

I bought a Redding 3br powder dispenser I believe it is...it's very consistent using flake and ball powders and not terrible with stick powders even the big stick stuff.lol. still beats the heck out of factory ammo for accuracy if speed or time loading is your concern ...I imagine a harrels would be even better..

I use the Redding 3br for pistol and ar blasting stuff and trickle precision loads..I can get the Redding really close and trickle.some use tweezers to add or remove a stick or two

I'm old school mindset also on no electronics except a say a dandy or Hornady electric trickler.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1024207880?pid=657660
I would read the reviews on this RBCS Link to see if it fits your criteria.

 

[SD guy]

For what it is worth. I have been using the RCBS Link along with a A & D FX120i to verify & sort charges. To my surprise the Link tends to generally hold within nearly a tenth of a grain for the most part. The FX120i has been the only electronic scale I have ever trusted.

 

[nettle]

When you do electronics there are things in the background one can't see. When working in the machine trades for years and a tolerance was off on a critical and very expensive part we would get a double check with manual mics. The manual mics always won that contest. The readout on a digital maybe say a tenth of a grain. Maybe yes, maybe no, but definitely maybe.

 

[SD guy]

Interesting. While I have liked my manual mics. My perception has been the advantages of manual lie in the weight & balance along with never loosing power. We can still read the electronic mic the same way we do any other manual mic, though there is no compensating for the weight or balance.

In the case of the scale, when I have a reliable power source, I could not imagine not, preferring the A&D balance over a mechanical balance beam on so many levels & in so many applications..

 

[jds holler]

For high volume stuff, I pick my powder based on the size of it's balls.
---- errrrr granules.
There are fine, spherical powders for every application these days, and with a powder thrower, you will be able to throw charges as accurate and more quickly than any other method. Keep your hopper full, and your screw tight and you can't go wrong. Sound to easy to be true. It is. jd

 

[Kracken McGraw]

For high volume stuff, I pick my powder based on the size of it's balls.
---- errrrr granules.
There are fine, spherical powders for every application these days, and with a powder thrower, you will be able to throw charges as accurate and more quickly than any other method. Keep your hopper full, and your screw tight and you can't go wrong. Sound to easy to be true. It is. jd

I agree, something like Xterminator in a powder measure with a baffle.
The OP wanting to run the 4350 though is going to need to trickle or get the Link chargemaster deal.

 

[SKWERLZ]

I agree, something like Xterminator in a powder measure with a baffle.
The OP wanting to run the 4350 though is going to need to trickle or get the Link chargemaster deal.

Yep
Xterminator and w748 throw really well and fast.

For fast throws with chonky grains like N570 I use my V3.

 

[BuffaloBill]

While an electronic dispensing system is doing its thing, I seat a bullet on the previous one. By the time I’ve got the bullet seated and the cartridge placed in its box, the next charge has usually finished being dispensed.

 

[Doug Casner]

The Harrells are faster but the chargemaster is more accurate. Ive got both. N-133 youll be fine with the Harrells. Doug

 

[bobinpa]

Thanks again for the replies.... Good info.

I guess my main concern is speed. So I'm leaning toward the Harrells thrower, my concern is will it be precise enough with H4350 and similar to kill prairie dogs?

 

[lgwatson]

Thank you for the replies.
To clarify a bit... I sold my RCBS powder dispenser years ago because I wasn't using it much if at all. I had become just as fast by manually using a dipper and trickling up on a 10-10 beam scale. I love the accuracy and precision of it.
Now I'm planning a prairie dog hunt and I need to speed the process up. I'm considering buying either a quality manual dispenser like a Harrells or an electronic dispenser. I'm not sure if the electronic would be faster but maybe less tedious. However, if a Harrells would produce "minute of prairie dog" charges, I may go that route because I know it's faster and less tedious.
My concern is that I am using H4350 which is known to not meter well through a dispenser...

Give me your opinions please.

I have a Harrell's. With ball powders it is very accurate. I have thrown 20 charges with .1 grain off in two of the charges. When developing loads, I throw .1 to .2 grains light and trickle up on my beam scale. With H4350 it is a little less accurate. I also use the Hornady electric dispenser for stick powders. It is very accurate.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Varget, H4895,H4350 used all of them for volume pd loads. Throw 0.1 light and trickle up, do it over 15-20 rds, tweek the thrower so every 3rd weighs up and the process gets down to 6+ a minute (if the bench is setup correctly). I have a rcbs thrower. I do keep used dryer sheets in the thrower and wipe down pans,scales. The thrower consistency is partially on the operator be consistent.